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Old 01-18-11, 06:29 PM
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I remember doing this, once, back in the mid 70's. You're a better man than I am Gunga Din.

I agree you won't catch me doing that.
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Thanks for the great write-up and excellent photos! Now where did I put that old rusty Regina...?
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[QUOTE= A question: Will overhauling the Freewheel using the method you've described reduce Freewheel wobble? I've got an old Suntour 6-speed fw which wobbles, and I've been trying to decide whether to replace it with a modern Shimano HG freewheel.[/QUOTE]

NO..... They all wobble.
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I'm really shocked to find that so many of you do not, or do not want to overhaul your freewheel........ You overhaul your BB right? Why not just replace your BB with a cartridge BB so you can just toss it and throw in a new one when it fails?

It's always been my thought that at some point we will no longer be able to source a freewheel and this I find the best way to insure mine will keep going strong. Sure you can blast it with WD-40 and let some gear lube seep in there and be done, but that just seems half baked to me. Most of us spend soooooo much time working on our bikes and enjoying it, and I would think this is more enjoyable than torture.

I really do enjoy sitting down and overhauling a freewheel, but then again I may be crazy? LOL.........
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Originally Posted by Capecodder
NO..... They all wobble.
Freewheels don't wobble on their racheting body. The hub threads are off center.

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Completed my first freewheel internal cleaning, new grease, and reassembly.

Dirty Suntour Perfect body.



All the pieces nice and clean.



Greased and ready to reassemble.



Dirty cogs and spacers.



Cleaned and ready for service!



Thanks CapeCodder for the inspiration!
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pastorbob,

Great job, and pics!!!! Now, see how easy that was? I'll bet that's not the last one you overhaul I think is't great to get inside and get it nice and clean and lubed, and know it's clean......... I'm a visual kind of person, and I'm not satisfied unless I can see for myself that it's clean and lubed. Again, GREAT JOB
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Thanks again for this thread. Very helpful and it got me over the fear of trying. I have several others which I've fetched from the dump and other places over the years which will receive the same treatment.

The one thing I did the day before was to give the internals a good soaking of WD40. I figured this would loosen any internal dirt or even rust before I dove inside. It made the final cleanout easy as pie.

A couple of weeks ago, I put the body of this Suntour Alpha in the hydro sonic cleaner and then gave it a good oiling when I was finished. I now have the confidence to open it up and add new grease. Both this one and the one from last night were very stiff and dry to begin with.

New Winner body on left. Alpha body on right.


Re-assembled Alpha on right.


I think I will invest in a spanner wrench to fit the two notches in the retaining ring.
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Here is one retainer ring spanner. Are there any others?


https://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cg...tem_id=PA-SPA2
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Originally Posted by cudak888
Freewheels don't wobble on their racheting body. The hub threads are off center.

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This is what I feared. So does this mean that there is a problem in the interior of the hub (bearings, races) or the result of poorly machined hub threads?
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh
Here is one retainer ring spanner. Are there any others?


https://www.biketoolsetc.com/index.cg...tem_id=PA-SPA2
There is, of course, the SPA-1, but it's less usable with retainer rings. I think I may have used it once when it fit, but it could have just been my imagination.
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Did mine today on a Schwinn i just bought. Mine just had a milky looking sludge inside that didnt even resemble grease!! So I am very glad i saw this thread and decided to tackle it!! I do have one question tho, I appear to be missing 3 or 4 ball bearings on the backside and I am sure they werent in there when i started the dissassembly. Should i be worried about the missing bearings? Everything is greased up really well and I wont be riding in wet conditions.

Its an ATOM 6 speed btw.

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Andy,

I'm not sure on the Atom FW, but normaly you fill the race to capacity then remove one ball bearing that's how I always have done it. All the Suntours I have done have room for only one more ball.
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Originally Posted by Capecodder
Andy,

I'm not sure on the Atom FW, but normaly you fill the race to capacity then remove one ball bearing that's how I always have done it. All the Suntours I have done have room for only one more ball.
Now that i look again at the pic on page one, you seem to have the same amount of space left that i did, maybe the "3 or 4" was an overstatement, I could be missing one more than yours. My ATOM freewheel looks almost exactly the same as the one you used for pics btw.

Thanks again for a great, informative thread!!

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Originally Posted by Capecodder
I'm really shocked to find that so many of you do not, or do not want to overhaul your freewheel...
I think the key reason they don't get overhauled more often is that the freewheel bearings may be the least important bearings on the bike in terms of performance. The FW bearings do not come into play while pedaling, only coasting. Sure, I want to protect my BB from wearing out, but, more importantly, I don't want any extra resistance when going uphill! For this reason alone, it's not the same comparing FWs to BBs.
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Darn. When I saw this thread I was hoping it would be about how to build a long freewheel. These things are impossible to find anymore.
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Those are for an Elliptical bicycle.
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Uh oh. I got all inspired when I read this thread and started taking apart freewheels
Well, it's not all that bad. I took apart this 6 speed Suntour Perfect that came with my Trek 612 cause the lbs guy kinda wrecked the removal notches. I've got a couple of 5 speed Perfects and I took one of those apart thinking that I could substitute the middle bit but they aren't the same size. I guess I could just file the notches square again, right? Is there another freewheel in my pile that would use the same core?
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Ok, so I found an identical 6 speed Perfect freewheel in this lump of grease and schmutz that I was saving in the basement. Where did that come from? Maybe that other Trek that I parted out last year.
I got the 5 speed back together. It was easy peasy.
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Originally Posted by Maddox
This is what I feared. So does this mean that there is a problem in the interior of the hub (bearings, races) or the result of poorly machined hub threads?
Hub threads. Even the best have a bit of wobble; don't know exactly why.

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Originally Posted by sailorbenjamin
Darn. When I saw this thread I was hoping it would be about how to build a long freewheel. These things are impossible to find anymore.
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Ok, so I found an identical 6 speed Perfect freewheel in this lump of grease and schmutz that I was saving in the basement. Where did that come from? Maybe that other Trek that I parted out last year.
I got the 5 speed back together. It was easy peasy.
Sold!

Well, if it has at least a 30T big cog.
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Well, I ordered a spanner. I ordered this one through Amazon, Park SPA-6.



I won't know if the pins are long enough until it arrives. If not, it was a tool not in the chest, and I'll order the SPA-2. Can't hurt to have both.
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The Park SPA6 spanner came. The pins are rather short so won't engage with the cogs in place.



I gave it a whirl on a dump find Suntour Alpha 5 speed. Here it is disassembled after cleaning.



Races greased and bearings inserted.



Body ready for the cogs.



Ready for action and the Suntour Free wheel spacing tool.



Almost could pass for NOS.
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I didn't know there was a SPA-6, I was just going to get a SPA-2 with the next order. Decisions, decisions...

Does the spacing tool just verify, or does it actually do something?
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