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Old 06-15-11, 09:01 PM
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Your average DVD players do not play CD music as well as your average CD player. This is due to the digital to analog converter in most DVD players are of lower quality then the average cd player. Yes they do make expensive high end DVD (Blue Ray if you will) players that do play as well as a CD player, but you could get just as good of a sound from a $350 Marantz CD5004 player (the best on the market even at nearly twice the price) without spending over a grand for a Blue Ray Player that can.

But for a DVD player to be used in the garage I doubt sound was in important issue anyway's so it works great for that. By the way, those older Pioneer players did not have HDMI outputs and probably your receiver you'll be using doesn't either which means your relying on RCA terminals and those cannot carry the bandwidth thus the CD won't sound as good...but again it's in the garage so who cares.

By the way CD players are not obsolete. There are high mid to high end CD players still being made that will outplay all but maybe the most expensive Blue Ray players and then be an equal not something less. For the average market with people who run their sound through little cheap Bose cubes or the such, or through their TV, then it makes sense for them to run CD's on their Blue Ray players because they can't hear fine details anyways, and it saves having to buy another component then figure out the hookups. So the low end CD players may be going out in favor of Blue Ray players, but high end cd players will be around for the audiophile.

What the industry needs to do is to put music on Blue Ray disk without any video to save from condensing the sound and let that be the new medium then forget about a new medium for the next 50 years like they did with records. Which by the way, vinyl is also making a comeback with many new artists putting their music on virgin vinyl...ever wonder why?
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Nice receiver, BBM. I like receivers from that era.
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata View Post
.....By the way CD players are not obsolete........ high end cd players will be around for the audiophile.......vinyl is also making a comeback with many new artists putting their music on virgin vinyl...ever wonder why?
As far as the consumer market is concerned, both of these mediums are obsolete. I concede both your points - high end CD players will be around for a long time, as will vinyl and turntables. But the market has moved on. Kids and young adults are not clamoring for CD players or turntables - they want streaming content to whatever they're storing it on. Sure, there is a slight resurgence in making albums, but it will (at best) be a niche market.

When you see piles and acres of CD's, CD players, and LP's at thrifts and yard sales, the technology have been superseded.
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Originally Posted by bigbossman View Post
As far as the consumer market is concerned, both of these mediums are obsolete. I concede both your points - high end CD players will be around for a long time, as will vinyl and turntables. But the market has moved on. Kids and young adults are not clamoring for CD players or turntables - they want streaming content to whatever they're storing it on. Sure, there is a slight resurgence in making albums, but it will (at best) be a niche market.

When you see piles and acres of CD's, CD players, and LP's at thrifts and yard sales, the technology have been superseded.
Kids are having contests who can have the most amount of music on their IPODS or MP3's, kind of like the Facebook contest as to who can have the most amount of friends. But kids today do not understand high fidelity sound quality, their just looking for the most amount of music.

Vinyl at thrift stores are all beat to hell, not worth buying or listening too. I get all of mine new with the occasional used one from a store in town that reviews the record to make sure it's pristine.
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I've found some LPs in excellent to mint condition at 1/2 price books of all places.
Album covers are usually beat to hell but the LPs themselves are surprisingly good.
A quick cleaning (vpi type machine) and most sound as good as they did they day
they were pressed. I've even found some mobile Fidelity LPs for less than $10 each.

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Old 06-16-11, 07:14 AM
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I was at Best Buy the other day. The huge selection of CDs that they used to have is gone forever.

I have a couple of vintage turntables a fairly large collection of vinyl, but they rarely get played. We've been listening to our Grace internet tuner exclusively since we got it. I'm ready to buy another.

Pioneer receivers are nice, but I prefer the 3 martini sound of my vintage Marantz receivers.

I just installed a stereo with HD radio in my wife's car. HD radio is awesome!

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Old 06-16-11, 07:24 AM
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I am rocking out with many pairs of vintage speakers.
These Altec Model 19's are my favorites.

AU D11 II

OHM Walsh 4's, HPM 100's, Bose 901 series II

SL 1700MKII with Pickering XSV3000 cart

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Originally Posted by lotek View Post
I've found some LPs in excellent to mint condition at 1/2 price books of all places.
Album covers are usually beat to hell but the LPs themselves are surprisingly good.
A quick cleaning (vpi type machine) and most sound as good as they did they day
they were pressed. I've even found some mobile Fidelity LPs for less than $10 each.

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I never knew 1/2 price books sold LP's, I think there's one in my town I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the tip!

Best Buys has a small LP offering in their stores too.
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata View Post
I never knew 1/2 price books sold LP's, I think there's one in my town I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the tip!

Best Buys has a small LP offering in their stores too.
My local Hastings has an ok collection of new vinyl. There is a record store that has pretty good condition used, the problem is finding an album you're interested in.
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My local Hastings has an ok collection of new vinyl. There is a record store that has pretty good condition used, the problem is finding an album you're interested in.
We have a small chain called Rasputin Records out here. They have both old and new LP's. The new stuff is costly, the old stuff is ~$1 each and in decent shape. But.... good Lord some "artists" are well represented. If you're a Barbara Streisand fan (and if you are.. >shudder<) this place is for you.

Lots of older LP's - classical, big band, and lots of 80's pop/rock. Usually, if I find something I like, either I already have it or it is too beat to buy.
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ricohman, I have a Technics turntable that looks similar to yours.
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ricohman, I have a Technics turntable that looks similar to yours.
I have two of these as well as an SL1800. They really are great bargains and solid tables.
New they were $700-1000 in Canada and now they are garage sale specials.
The new Pickering stylus cost me $200 though.
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We have a small chain called Rasputin Records out here. They have both old and new LP's. The new stuff is costly, the old stuff is ~$1 each and in decent shape. But.... good Lord some "artists" are well represented. If you're a Barbara Streisand fan (and if you are.. >shudder<) this place is for you.

Lots of older LP's - classical, big band, and lots of 80's pop/rock. Usually, if I find something I like, either I already have it or it is too beat to buy.
We have a place in Fort Wayne called the Wooden Nickle and they sell records new and used.
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What's missing is a source for audiophile quality phono cartridges. All I've found are cheap things I won't buy.
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What's missing is a source for audiophile quality phono cartridges. All I've found are cheap things I won't buy.
You have to know where to look.

http://www.needledoctor.com/Online-S...ono-Cartridges
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You seem to be missing the point. Did notice the title of the thread? We listen to vintage equipment because we like the way it sounds, not just because it's cheaper.
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Just picked up a turntable after about 8 years without one. Nice to hear the old vinyl again.
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You seem to be missing the point. Did notice the title of the thread? We listen to vintage equipment because we like the way it sounds, not just because it's cheaper.
Huh? I never said anything about vintage being cheaper. Why do you think I listen to vinyl through a tube amp?
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http://www.stereoneedles.com/
http://www.lpgear.com/
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....... We listen to vintage equipment because we like the way it sounds........
Yeah - even if it is second-rate Pioneer gear.
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I found this at a thrift shop this afternoon and the Darth Vader aesthetic appealed to me (plus it was cheap and it worked...) I've learned that it's a low-end system but it sounds pretty good and only needs a bit of cleaning of the volume pot to work perfectly. The tuner display is visible through the front as well as the top.

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Hey BBM, do you know where to spray that de-ox-it stuff into one of these? I can tune into the AM and FM lines ok, but only once in a while can I get the thing to speak in any language at all on some of the other bands.

Of course, since I am involved, the problem could just be operator error......
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Sometimes you don't need to spray anything. Sometimes, all you have to do is twist the knob a few times (preferably with the unit off and over its full range of motion) and cleans right up.
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I just bought a pair of Advent 3s even though I have no place to put them. I think I'm losing control.....again.
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Ricohman, I have the same Technics 1700 Mk2 since new when I just got out of HS and saved up for it. I think I paid $240 US through a wholesaler. Quite a discount! IIRC, they cost $500 retail.
I love this turntable, built like a tank and has the same drive as the famed disco/dj favorite, the 1200.
You're a lucky devil to have these found in garage sales and thrift stores. I haven't spotted anything this high end.
Mine is sporting a Shure V15. It's currently boxed and stored away.
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