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Old 01-28-11, 05:27 PM
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One sad paramount

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Hey, for once an ebay seller who doesn't resort to hyperbole: "The bicycle is in bad condition."

Come to think of it, maybe that is hyperbole.
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Well, I don't think its that bad for its age as long as its not damaged. All the parts seem to be there, and they're IMPOSSIBLE to find (I've been looking for decades to finish mine!)

Its a unique bike, I'll be watching it. I bet it will bring close to $1,000. if not more...
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It's in my back yard; trying to arrange a look before the auction ends. It doesn't fit me, so it's more of a curiosity to me. Though, if the bidding is low enough, maybe... How does something so awesome get to be left in the canal???
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Originally Posted by dbakl
Well, I don't think its that bad for its age as long as its not damaged. All the parts seem to be there, and they're IMPOSSIBLE to find (I've been looking for decades to finish mine!)

Its a unique bike, I'll be watching it. I bet it will bring close to $1,000. if not more...
I'll bet it doesn't go that high. But I'm often a bad price guesser. I still sometimes regret the one with the dent and the very reasonable BIN I didn't take a poke at - can't remember exactly how early that one was, but it was early enough ...
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Originally Posted by chewybrian
How does something so awesome get to be left in the canal???
Six-day racing drove some folks around the bend .... "Where did I leave my bike? Has anybody seen my little dog? ... "
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Didn't someone post an old race video, where the racers were tossing their bikes in a creek and then jumping in after them?
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I think this begs the question: How much is too much rust?

I've seen oxalic acid baths do wonders here on this forum, but I'd have to think there will be significant pitting and compromised structural integrity to the frame. Hypothetically, if you were to buy this (or another) bike for the purpose of actually riding it, how would one determine if a bike/frame has been rusted too much for a restoration to be worthwhile? I know people have different aesthetic standards, but I'm mostly thinking in terms of ultimate safety/function.

Got a chuckle out of this: "It had been submerged in a canal - though I don't know why or for how long." Did the sellers g'pa leave it in the canal? Discover it in the canal? I'd love to know the full story.
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I had a dream once where I made a living from pulling cool old bikes out of canals and fixing them up...
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rule of thumb sit on the bike with your full weight if the frame breaks in half you shouldnt ride it with out some repairs....tape or jb weld
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Yes it's in bad shape, but for someone who likes old Paramounts and has the money they can send it to Waterford and they will restore it to make it look like new.
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Originally Posted by beech333
Didn't someone post an old race video, where the racers were tossing their bikes in a creek and then jumping in after them?
Go to 1:20. I thought of the same video when I read that...

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Nah, I like it just the way it is. Grease it up and go for a ride, nice and ugly.
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Originally Posted by chewybrian
How does something so awesome get to be left in the canal???
Collectors should be thankful; someone cleverly saved it from the scrap metal drives during WWII! Okay, maybe not so clever. Must have been a former prohibition-era bootlegger.
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I've seen worse.

I wouldn't pay $100 for it, but for $20, I'd O/A the frame and give it a proper paint job. It's still there.

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Originally Posted by gaucho777
I think this begs the question: How much is too much rust?

I've seen oxalic acid baths do wonders here on this forum, but I'd have to think there will be significant pitting and compromised structural integrity to the frame. Hypothetically, if you were to buy this (or another) bike for the purpose of actually riding it, how would one determine if a bike/frame has been rusted too much for a restoration to be worthwhile? I know people have different aesthetic standards, but I'm mostly thinking in terms of ultimate safety/function.

Got a chuckle out of this: "It had been submerged in a canal - though I don't know why or for how long." Did the sellers g'pa leave it in the canal? Discover it in the canal? I'd love to know the full story.
I believe the thickness of the tubing walls can be determined by ultrasound or something similar. We had a corroded tank at work and they said they could scan the tank walls and determine the level of corrosion all over. We had a pinhole leak and figured the rest of the tank might be in sad shape as well or hopefully it was along a weld seam.

A bike welder might just tap the tubing in various places and listen carefully; that would work for severely compromised tubes but probably not good enough for determining rideability.
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Originally Posted by chewybrian
How does something so awesome get to be left in the canal???
+1! I'm more interested in the canal back story than the bike!
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Originally Posted by chewybrian
.. How does something so awesome get to be left in the canal???
Ever see the story about the Bugatti they pulled out of the Italian lake a few years ago?

That bike might be rough but it's still beautiful.
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Originally Posted by FORDSVTPARTS
Ever see the story about the Bugatti they pulled out of the Italian lake a few years ago?
No, but I've heard and seen the Veyron that was driven into a lake (and pulled out).




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Nothing like putting an amateur rich guy behind the wheel of something like the Veyron for a good laugh.
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Nothing like putting an amateur rich guy behind the wheel of something like the Veyron for a good laugh.
That begs the question - how do you become a professional rich guy?

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Originally Posted by cudak888
That begs the question - how do you become a professional rich guy?

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A professional rich guy is just an amateur rich guy with an agent.
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Originally Posted by cudak888
No, but I've heard and seen the Veyron that was driven into a lake (and pulled out).


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This is the one I meant,


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...0-auction.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...t-auction.html

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Originally Posted by cudak888
No, but I've heard and seen the Veyron that was driven into a lake (and pulled out). -Kurt
By the way, guess what a set of tires for that car cost?

Remember, they are run flats and are good for 258 mph for 10 minutes.

And last I knew there was not a tire mounting machine in the USA yet that was equipped to mount them.

Hint, term it in multiples of Joe's Confente.
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Originally Posted by chewybrian
... How does something so awesome get to be left in the canal???
Spouse comes home too early.
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