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Old 02-08-11, 09:33 PM
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Shimano 600 Arabesque group

I figured I'd post this here, I remember someone posting that they needed a full set and I cam across this browsing eBay tonight:
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The guy has a crankset, F&R derailleurs, headset, and shift levers listed all new in the box, plus a matching brake set in another auction. It looks like just about everything you need to set up a pretty much full 600 bike.
I wish I found this before I pieced a set together for one of my projects, I paid far more for the same parts in the end. I gave $155 for the crankset, and couldn't use the BB cups as the set I bought came with French cups, I gave $39 for the RD, $31 for the FD, $20 for the shifters and I got run up and beat out of an auction for a new old stock headset at over $70. I ended up paying $90 for a new headset at a local bike shop. I gave $75 for my brakes. I got lucky on the freewheel and chain as I got the pair for $55. I passed on the hubs as I already had a set of early Dura Ace hubs on the bike already that came with the new wheelset. ( The most expensive item was the wheelset, I got bid up to $375 because someone wanted the new old stock Mavic 700C mixte rims I guess. I've probably got the most expensive Raleigh ever but it's all new. My credit card is still crying from that project.
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Old 02-08-11, 09:37 PM
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My favorite group honestly. I've pieced most of one up at steals-of-prices, but for NOS, with tools, that doesn't seem awful.
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Old 02-08-11, 09:46 PM
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I've got a lightly used set for sale EDIT. Well maybe not any more...

I love the look of the Arabesque group but like Tricolor better for function.

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Old 02-08-11, 11:03 PM
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My favorite group honestly.
+ that. My Shimano stuff has been a mix and match of 600 of different periods. But I gotta love the Arabesque. Am I right here? .... it is sooo close to the Dura Ace EX of the same period in design.
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Old 02-09-11, 12:29 AM
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i've always had a crush on this group...
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That was probably Shimano's best looking set of all time. I always thought that the cranks resembled Campy record.
When it comes to Shimano derailleurs, beginning with Titlist, the the first three of four generations of 600 and later Crane and Dura Ace, they all used the same design and shape, only the weight got lighter as you went up the line.
They all shifted well and all out shifted the European derailleurs of the day. I always sort of figured that the 600 Arabesque group was the sleeper bargain of the whole line. It was also the first Shimano model to offer a complete groupo. There's just something about a vintage ride set up with a full set of 600 Arabesque that just looks right, and the parts are still affordable enough you can use them. Somehow I figure sets like the one on eBay will end up in some collectors cabinet and never see any use. About four months ago I sold a new crankset with two derailleurs for more than what that seller is asking for the whole lot. That brake set he's listing is probably my favorite go to side pull set for older bikes, those in good condition are getting hard to find.
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Somehow I figure sets like the one on eBay will end up in some collectors cabinet and never see any use. About four months ago I sold a new crankset with two derailleurs for more than what that seller is asking for the whole lot.
I would love this selection for my Miyata, but we bought house in August ... and right now the Dragon Lady would kill me in my sleep if I won the bid.
... they all used the same design and shape, only the weight got lighter as you went up the line. .... I always sort of figured that the 600 Arabesque group was the sleeper bargain of the whole line.
I think that still continues today with the Ultegra stuff — which of course is the 600 slot by a different name.
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I, too, am a Shimano 600 Arabesque fan. I built my 1975 Sekine SHT270 with a full groupp...


I did the same with my ALAN Super Record...


And, I still have a couple of complete groups tucked away in The Old Shed...
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Old 02-09-11, 04:27 AM
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I did the same with my ALAN Super Record...
Where did you find the none clamp shifter levers?
Do they exist or are they home made with other later parts?
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OMG! ... the Alan gives me a very good idea of what my black Vitus 979 would look like in Arabesque group. Tres cool! Currently it is a mix of different C-Record editions, Mavic, Sugino 75 and Cellini — a mongrel.
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Where did you find the none clamp shifter levers?
I improvised, by combining Campy NR and Shimano 600 pieces...
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Golden arrow shift levers came in braze-on form, and compliment the Arabesque group quite well.
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You have some beautiful bikes there Randyjawa.
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I have an arabesque headset, which seem to be pretty rare. It's french though. I could be talked out of it if someone is dying to have it.
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Old 02-11-11, 04:06 PM
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In my mind,the 600 Arabesque is an equal to the Campy NR in looks and function, and heck aint they both pretty !
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I just wish they worked as good as they look. I was underwhelmed....so I put it on the spare ladies bike I keep around. Looks pretty and I don't have to use it
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I just wish they worked as good as they look. I was underwhelmed....so I put it on the spare ladies bike I keep around. Looks pretty and I don't have to use it
What is wrong with the way this stuff works?
I just picked up an old Trek with all 600 EX Arabesque components on it, most of which are well worn and it seems to work great with just an odd wheel set thrown on the bike. I've almost got a complete new group collected for it now, I wish that set on eBay would have turned up a week ago. I've got far more than that in the parts I picked up piece by piece. I had to really do some hunting to find the headset but I came up with a complete headset after searching many shops, out of three shops, I came up with a full headset. I spent as much in gas as I did in parts.
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I am bringing some 600 bits to the old roads swap sunday.
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My wife's Norco came with the complete 600/Arabesque group (including the Pro Vic II pedals), except for the headset for some strange reason, and without hoods on the brake levers. Overall fit and finish is lovely, though I prefer satin finished alloy vs highly polished, and the crank arms aren't as graceful around the axle as Campy IMO. Also be careful using the self extractors - first time I tried to remove the cranks from the Norco (in spite of lubing ahead of time), as the extractor was turned a small sliver of alloy dropped out from behind the collar and I almost had a heart attack. Might have been flash, might have been something worse, but once the cranks were off I could find no damage worth worrying about.

For shifting though, I find the FD fine but the RD not as accurate as the alloy Suntours of the same era: more trimming seems necessary than with others. Perhaps that is what Zaphod was referring to.

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For shifting though, I find the FD fine but the RD not as accurate as the alloy Suntours of the same era: more trimming seems necessary than with others. Perhaps that is what Zaphod was referring to.
That's been my experience as well.

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Years ago I worked for a bike shop part time, this was around the time that aluminum first started climbing in price, the owner instructed all of us to scrap anything older than 1992. We filled a dumpster with alloy rims, hubs, derailleurs, and anything else that could be sold as 'clean' aluminum. I snagged myself a lifetime supply of both rims and Shimano 600 items that day. The whole load brought around $600, to the owner that was better than having it take up space in the store and not sell. He smashed or destroyed everything that got scrapped too, so no one could use it. He left it up to me to do in the small items and the rims that were in the back storeroom. He made it clear that anything we kept was to be kept and used and never sold. My next 10 bikes were 600 equipped with new rims, hubs, and seat posts. I'd venture to guess he scrapped 50 sets of 600 Arabesque in all, I kept 14-15 or so on top of that. Those components must have been cheap to buy as a dealer back then or he wouldn't have had so many complete sets. Years later he made the comment to me how he more than doubled his money scrapping that load and showed me how little those parts cost new. He was buying complete sets for $8 each on closeout from one supplier. He was buying alloy rims for $2 each which sold for $12 each at the time. (Keep in mind that a Shimano High flange hub/Araya alloy wheelset sold in the shop for only $34 new in 1978. The 600 Crankset was only $29.99 new, and the RD was $24.99, the FD was $19.99, and the headset was $22.99. Those prices were from when those parts were new. Keep in mind that these prices were in 1978 money.

I think the fact that so many of these components lingered as dead stock for so many years before 'vintage' bikes were rediscovered again about 10 or so years ago, is what lead so many dealers to just scrap the stuff or pawn it off as cheap repair stock rather than the vintage collectible parts we see them as today.
Bike parts were cheap back then, so was aluminum, and parts were plentiful.

If you figure the rate of inflation, just on face value on old bike parts, or even compare them to some modern road components, $300 to $400 seems pretty cheap. I must say that I've got 4 complete sets still squirreled away all new in the box, and there's no way I'd let them go for only $300. The minute I did, I just know I'd stumble on a bike that needed them.
I've always been funny in choosing components, I tend to keep Japanese components on Japanese bikes, and European parts on French and English bikes. I also tend to keep my rides as close to original as I can, so if it came with 600 EX, that's what I stay with. The same with Suntour, or any other brand unless the original parts are just too hard to find or afford. For instance I'd never hang a set of Shimano 600 Arabesque on a PX10, or a set of Huret Jubile derailleurs on a Nishiki, it just don't look right.
Of all the bikes that came with the Arabesque groupo, several from Trek, Lotus, and Panasonic stand out the most.
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Fantastic (though extremely sad) story! Thanks for sharing. We all have to remember that while *now* things seem valuable and collectible, back when they were newer they didn't mean much to folks. This reminds me of the story of the motorcycle manufacturer Ducati....when the new owners of the factory started to run out of room for new bikes and parts, they ordered dumpsters to be filled with (now priceless) replacement parts - jump get a tractor and push all that scrap into the bin! Luckily in that case some factory employees with a sense of history managed to "redirect" a lot of the parts, just like you did!
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I see that auction ended without a bid, I guess the old 600 stuff isn't worth much these days. I watched several auctions with various components go off with no bids as well. Myself, I've always liked that group but I like the crankset the best, I could take or leave the derailleurs or headset. The cranks just look classy for some reason. All the early Shimano derailleurs look too much alike, the Crane, Titlist, 600, and early 105 all look like clones.
For me though, for some reason, mixing Japanese brands has always seemed wrong. I like the 600 cranks, I like Suntour derailleurs and barcons, and I like Suntour freewheels best. The problem is they just don't look right together. It sort of feels like wearing two different shoes or mismatched gloves for some reason.
If I were to build a Shimano equipped bike, then its all going to be Shimano from the same group, the same with Suntour. I never worried about things like the stem or seat post but the drive line has to match.
To me, nothing looks worse than a classic bike with all mismatched components. I just looked at an older Motobecane Grand Record, the bike had Campy DT shifters, Shimano 105 rear derailleur, a Huret front derailleur, and a Silstar crankset. The stem was SR, the bars by GB, and the seat was one of those modern Lycra gel saddles. The wheels were a Sun CR18 rim in the rear and an Araya W/O alloy up front, and the hubs were Quando in the rear and a Shimano Ultegra up front. The guy was asking top dollar because he had spent a fortune replacing parts and getting it all working. To me, that bike needed to be put back to original or at least done with all one line of period correct components to look right. a matching wheelset also would have been nice.
The bike frame wise was super clean and in nice shape, but with all the mismatched parts it looked like it was built out of scraps.

oldlugs story is all too common, back in the 90's I worked part time for a guy that ran a bike shop and storage facility. He hired kids to help clean out the dead stock one weekend, I came in on a Monday to find a 12' pile of smashed rims and other parts that were going to scrap. He decided that the back warehouse was more profitable to rent out than to use to house bike parts. He was sort of planning his retirement and didn't want to close up shop at 65 with a load of old parts that never sold. They smashed and crushed over 1000 pair of Rigida rims, mostly 700C, thousands of tubulars, and boxes of stems, bars, hubs, and derailleurs. I know for a fact that more than two cases of Huret Jubilee derailleurs got scrapped, as did cases of old 600 components. It wasn't moving and he saw a quick way to get his money back out of all that old stock. Like many shops back then, those old parts were bought cheap and often as closeouts, so the scrap price was probably far more than what he paid for them years before as closeout items. The rent on the warehouse also probably far exceeded what he made off the parts stored there over the years. I doubt if he ever made $5500 per month selling old parts. No one got to grab any of the parts, he intentionally hired kids that didn't know what the stuff was so it all got destroyed. He was also the type to not give anything away, if you wanted something as an employee, you paid 10% under the retail price, regardless of what he paid. Even so, back then a set of 700C Rigida 1320 rims were under $20, and before that weekend, he had racks full of them. After words, he had none. For the remaining two years before he retired he probably ordered a 100 sets of 700C rims for customers, all modern or Asian made rims. To me it would have made more sense to take it at least save a few pieces for future sales but it all got destroyed.
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The groupo didn't sell but I see the seller put it back up as a fixed price sale open no to International buyers. It sounds like that stuff may be bound for a non US buyer:
10 to 1 a collector emailed him wanting to buy it from someplace other than the USA who has a US shipping address.
I had that happen a few times when I used to sell on eBay. After an item didn't sell, a collector emails about opening the shipping up to just him or his country so he eliminates the competition I guess. I must say, I shipped a lot of items to Japan, Hong Kong, and Taiwan that way. The buyers always had a CA address who would relay items to them where ever they were. I probably shipped a thousand or more items to such buyers back around 2002 and 2003. I listed only to ship to USA addresses, but after a while I opened my auctions up to International bidders who could provide a US shipping address and my sales and totals doubled.

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I once found the FD, RD and shifters on a 50's/60's handbuild yet brutally vandalized (rattlecanned in the green of this smiley -> ) bike that had a modern Sugino crankset, 27 inch Shimano 600 wheels and a gold anodized MAFAC competition brake kit. Biggest Frankenbike I ever saw. The 600 bits now reside on my sisters mixte, and she's shifting happily with them, they are very smooth.
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