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rivas7200 02-10-11 09:11 PM

2011 Raleigh International
 
What do you guys think of this one.
I sort of had a love affair with it when I first saw it. I like the idea of a classic-styled frame with top modern components. I am not sure of the price but have heard it's pricey. Anybody have any classic rides that they have equipped with modern components to this extent? Please share as I am entertaining this idea.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5053/...030e491b4d.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5054/...339cd8ea88.jpg

The frame is lugged Reynolds 853 butted chromoly. The bike comes with a Dura-Ace group including DA rims, FSA stem, and a Selle SanMarco seat.

KonAaron Snake 02-10-11 09:22 PM

Columbus MAX Marnati with Campy SR 11, record hubs, traditional quill stem/bars and Campy C-record seatpost:

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a...hoto0473-1.jpg

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a...hoto0474-1.jpg

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a...hoto0475-1.jpg

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a...hoto0476-1.jpg

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a...hoto0477-1.jpg

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a...hoto0478-1.jpg

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Photo0481.jpg

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Photo0482.jpg

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Photo0483.jpg

http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Photo0486.jpg

timboishiding 02-10-11 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by rivas7200 (Post 12208196)
What do you guys think of this one.
I sort of had a love affair with it when I first saw it. I like the idea of a classic-styled frame with top modern components. I am not sure of the price but have heard it's pricey. Anybody have any classic rides that they have equipped with modern components to this extent? Please share as I am entertaining this idea.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5053/...030e491b4d.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5054/...339cd8ea88.jpg

The frame is lugged Reynolds 853 butted chromoly. The bike comes with a Dura-Ace group including DA rims, FSA stem, and a Selle SanMarco seat.


It's going to be $5999.00

I settled for the '10 Record Ace at a mere $1250 off Ebay

noglider 02-10-11 09:27 PM

Sure, most of us here are heavily into customizing bikes. I have a new 2008 Surly Cross Check with old components and a 1971 Raleigh Super Course with a mix of new and old components!

That new Raleigh frame above looks nice.

KonAaron Snake 02-10-11 09:29 PM

It definitely looks nice, but $6g???

Figure the Dura Ace parts are worth, at a decent price, $2,000...wheels another $700...misc. $400...that makes this a $3,000 reynolds 853 frame...sorry, but IMO 3 grand for a stock 853 frame is OUTRAGEOUS.

SteelsReal 02-10-11 09:32 PM

The cool thing is when Raleigh says full Dura ace they mean full Dura ace

Zaphod Beeblebrox 02-10-11 09:32 PM

JEEBUS LAWWD Aaron that Marnati is Freakin AMAZING!

if I was dropping 6 large I'd take the Marnati.

this pic literally had me drooling...the seatstays...and the saddle and that seatpost and oh man there's so much to love :love:
http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a...hoto0476-1.jpg
those brake calipers too! DAAAAMN

John E 02-10-11 09:33 PM

The frame looks great. I can take or leave indexed shifting and brifters. I absolutely avoid paired-spoke and other low-spoke-count wheels in favor of traditional 32 or even 36-spoke cross patterns.

KonAaron Snake 02-10-11 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox (Post 12208281)
JEEBUS LAWWD Aaron that Marnati is Freakin AMAZING!

if I was dropping 6 large I'd take the Marnati.

this pic literally had me drooling...the seatstays...and the saddle and that seatpost and oh man there's so much to love :love:
http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a...hoto0476-1.jpg
those brake calipers too! DAAAAMN

:D Gratzie! I've posted it a LOT...probably making everyone tired of it by now.

hellojoben 02-10-11 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox (Post 12208281)
JEEBUS LAWWD Aaron that Marnati is Freakin AMAZING!

if I was dropping 6 large I'd take the Marnati.

this pic literally had me drooling...the seatstays...and the saddle and that seatpost and oh man there's so much to love :love:
http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/a...hoto0476-1.jpg
those brake calipers too! DAAAAMN

+1 I'd want to get a MAX bike, but I ride frames that are too small for the set

hellojoben 02-10-11 09:50 PM

seeing one with a chrome fork would be awesome:D

cudak888 02-10-11 09:59 PM

That Marnati has every bit of handbuilt C&V passion in its soul. The new International does not, along with 90% of the other, new lugged frames being pushed to the market.

That round-blade fork drives me up the wall too. If it were named the "Professional," perhaps. International? No - it sounds as if the marketing department got to it.

-Kurt

P.S.: Wasn't the same firm that's producing the current Atala frames going to do a run of Legnanos, amongst other brands? What ever happened to that?

tugrul 02-10-11 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake (Post 12208273)
Figure the Dura Ace parts are worth, at a decent price, $2,000...wheels another $700...misc. $400...that makes this a $3,000 reynolds 853 frame...sorry, but IMO 3 grand for a stock 853 frame is OUTRAGEOUS.

The math, it hurts :p

ColonelJLloyd 02-10-11 10:46 PM

Can you even buy the frame and fork alone? Who distributes Raleigh?

abarth 02-10-11 10:51 PM

I will not drop $6g on a bike that is made in China. I don't care if that bike is Titanium with Di2, $6g on a bike that is China made is just over priced.

Velognome 02-10-11 11:11 PM

Soma's Stanyan looks simular, only missing the chromed seatlug and rear forks.
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-3773699254952_2142_9267159

rivas7200 02-10-11 11:24 PM

I have read claims from a Raleigh Rep. that it would be around $3500. Last year's Ultegra-built Raleigh Record Ace was just about $2000 so I don't think this upgraded DA version would shoot the price up 4 grand to the previously claimed 6 grand.
As with most sources on the internet, take these claims with a grain of salt. We'll just have to wait and find out.

rivas7200 02-10-11 11:26 PM

KonAaron Snake: That Marnati is hot and looks like it would be a great ride!

cinco 02-11-11 12:28 AM

Hopefully I'll be able to raise the question without starting a fight, but...

I just don't get the whole new-parts-on-an-old(style)-frame thing. I don't think they look particularly good, they only make life easier if you don't maintain your own equipment, and if you wanted your life to be "easier" in the first place you'd drive a car. Plus, Eddy didn't need brifters and he was faster than I am. I guess it just doesn't make sense to me to take an old (style) bike and try to turn it into a new bike, and if manufacturers are trying to trade on the popularity of old bikes why are they putting modern parts on 'em? If I want an old bike, I'll buy an old bike; if I want a new one, I'll buy a new one. It may be that I'm lacking some sort of perspective as a person who only rides for fun, fitness, and historical appreciation and who has never worn spandex in his life, but I'm at a loss. Again, I'm not trying to offend or start a fight but can someone explain the appeal of such things to me?

*Scuba 02-11-11 12:30 AM

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That Raleigh frame looks like it is made by Maxway in Taiwan. Nothing wrong with Maxway frames, but you might as well just buy direct from them.

http://www.maxway.com.tw/product.htm...t=1&cid=2&id=2http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=189543

rivas7200 02-11-11 01:21 AM


Originally Posted by cinco (Post 12208911)
Hopefully I'll be able to raise the question without starting a fight, but...

I just don't get the whole new-parts-on-an-old(style)-frame thing. I don't think they look particularly good, they only make life easier if you don't maintain your own equipment, and if you wanted your life to be "easier" in the first place you'd drive a car. Plus, Eddy didn't need brifters and he was faster than I am. I guess it just doesn't make sense to me to take an old (style) bike and try to turn it into a new bike, and if manufacturers are trying to trade on the popularity of old bikes why are they putting modern parts on 'em? If I want an old bike, I'll buy an old bike; if I want a new one, I'll buy a new one. It may be that I'm lacking some sort of perspective as a person who only rides for fun, fitness, and historical appreciation and who has never worn spandex in his life, but I'm at a loss. Again, I'm not trying to offend or start a fight but can someone explain the appeal of such things to me?

Point well taken.
Among other reasons I think there is a hot-rodding aspect to these modifications. The idea of customizing an old frame with modern components is like having a blast from the past with modern technology. <As I type this I'm not sure if I am making sense (: The same thing goes in the automobile world. People take classic cars from the 50's or 60's and install modern engines, wheels, and drive-trains and voila they are cruising in classic style with modern comforts and power.
I will now go to the default reason: Everyone's perceptions and likings are different and to each his own.

RunningPirate 02-11-11 01:27 AM

Indeed - I drooled all over the catalog when I saw the International...I bled when I saw the price. I got the 2011 Record Ace (520 frame/Ultegra) and am quite happy with it...saved $4K to boot.

KonAaron Snake 02-11-11 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by cinco (Post 12208911)
Hopefully I'll be able to raise the question without starting a fight, but...

I just don't get the whole new-parts-on-an-old(style)-frame thing. I don't think they look particularly good, they only make life easier if you don't maintain your own equipment, and if you wanted your life to be "easier" in the first place you'd drive a car. Plus, Eddy didn't need brifters and he was faster than I am. I guess it just doesn't make sense to me to take an old (style) bike and try to turn it into a new bike, and if manufacturers are trying to trade on the popularity of old bikes why are they putting modern parts on 'em? If I want an old bike, I'll buy an old bike; if I want a new one, I'll buy a new one. It may be that I'm lacking some sort of perspective as a person who only rides for fun, fitness, and historical appreciation and who has never worn spandex in his life, but I'm at a loss. Again, I'm not trying to offend or start a fight but can someone explain the appeal of such things to me?

The appeal is quite simple...I like DT shifters too, but modern parts are lighter, shift smoother and are necessary in faster club rides where everyone else is using them. I'm sorry, but ergos are a dramatic improvement in convenience over DT shifting. The weight savings aren't important to me at my level of riding, but they are an improvement for some.

The appeal to me is getting a beautiful steel frame with steel's advantages while also getting modern convenience and some weight savings. I also do not consider my SR group ugly...is it as pretty as the old c-record or NR/SR stuff? No...but it's attractive in its own way. At the end of the day a bike is a machine, and from that stand point...modern components offer advantages.

old_dreams 02-11-11 06:59 AM

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I generally don't go for the classic frame style with new components but this one is the exception

Aaron might recognise this one..

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...hmentid=189563

bbattle 02-11-11 07:02 AM

Can you buy direct from Maxway individual frames or must you buy a shipping container full?


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