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Old 02-18-11, 06:46 PM
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Bar end shifters: Touring type same as Time Trial type?? Help..

Hi,

I am in the process of building a Miata 215 and would like to use bar end shifters (shimano). I'm a little confused as when I look at descriptions in Ebay I see lots of Dura Ace bar end shifters for use on time trial bikes... What I need it the type that attaches to the end of a common drop bar. I could go 10 speed or 8 speed... I have running gear for both.

Are these two types actually different? Can I use the time trial type on my drop bars?

Thanks for any help.
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These are Dura Ace 10 speed Bar-end shifters. These can be switched from indexed to friction. Not all Dura Ace shifters can operate in both friction and indexed mode. I keep the rear shifter indexed and have a ten speed cassette on the bike.

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Thanks for the reply. I need to know if those shifters are the same type that the time trial folks use at the end of their bars.. the ones that point straight forward... Still confused.
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Dura Ace bar end shifters are Dura Ace bar end shifters. Unless they're Di2, then they're the same thing.

That's what you want, what's pictured above.
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They are. What drivetrain do you have? 2x9? or...?
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Originally Posted by pbmiata View Post
Hi,

I am in the process of building a Miyata 215 and would like to use bar end shifters (shimano). I'm a little confused as when I look at descriptions in Ebay I see lots of Dura Ace bar end shifters for use on time trial bikes... What I need it the type that attaches to the end of a common drop bar. I could go 10 speed or 8 speed... I have running gear for both.

Are these two types actually different? Can I use the time trial type on my drop bars?

Thanks for any help.
Paul
Yes. Bar-end shifters are bar-end shifters. I've used mine on drop bars, recumbent handlebars, and straight bars. Same shifter, no problem.
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Yes. Bar-end shifters are bar-end shifters. I've used mine on drop bars, recumbent handlebars, and straight bars. Same shifter, no problem.
+1, quite right. You're mission is to buy the one appropriate for your rear cluster (eg, 8-, 9-, or 10-speed), unless you're a straight pimp, and you intend to go friction (any shimano bar-end shifters currently on offer are friction-compat, with the exception of the Di2 stuff, which makes my head hurt when i think about it). In the waaaaaaaaaaaay back years, they made 8-speed dura-ace bar-end shifters which had a different pull ratio than all the other shimano groups. Many retailers tend to sell the bar-end shifters as "dura-ace", even though they're actually non-series. Someone will almost certainly post on this thread about "beware of the 8-speed dura-ace; they won't work with anything but an 8-speed dura-ace rear derailer", which is true, but you won't find any of those shifters unless you go looking for them specifically.

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+1, quite right. You're mission is to buy the one appropriate for your rear cluster (eg, 8-, 9-, or 10-speed), unless you're a straight pimp, and you intend to go friction (any shimano bar-end shifters currently on offer are friction-compat, with the exception of the Di2 stuff, which makes my head hurt when i think about it). In the waaaaaaaaaaaay back years, they made 8-speed dura-ace bar-end shifters which had a different pull ratio than all the other shimano groups. Many retailers tend to sell the bar-end shifters as "dura-ace", even though they're actually non-series. Someone will almost certainly post on this thread about "beware of the 8-speed dura-ace; they won't work with anything but an 8-speed dura-ace rear derailer", which is true, but you won't find any of those shifters unless you go looking for them specifically.

hth
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Careful- Shimano's thrown a "gotcha": the SL-BS78 10-speed bar-end shifters have a friction option, the SL-BS79 10-speed bar-end shifters do not. Don't look at me, I just report this stuff.

https://techdocs.shimano.com/media/te...9830609202.pdf
https://techdocs.shimano.com/media/te...9830728256.pdf
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If your interested I have a set of the Shimano bar end shifters that worked with 8/9 systems. PM me.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Wills View Post
Careful- Shimano's thrown a "gotcha": the SL-BS78 10-speed bar-end shifters have a friction option, the SL-BS79 10-speed bar-end shifters do not. Don't look at me, I just report this stuff.

https://techdocs.shimano.com/media/te...9830609202.pdf
https://techdocs.shimano.com/media/te...9830728256.pdf
holy crap. That is pure evil.

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Thank you all. Appears that I'm worried about nothing. My options are either 8 speed cassette with a three ring crankset or a 10 speed, also three ring crankset. I am assuming that the front lever will have enough range to handle a triple.

I am leaning toward the 10 speed as my derrailers are fairly recent vintage 105 with a long cage rear derrailer.

Again- Thanks!
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Originally Posted by pbmiata View Post
Thank you all. Appears that I'm worried about nothing. My options are either 8 speed cassette with a three ring crankset or a 10 speed, also three ring crankset. I am assuming that the front lever will have enough range to handle a triple.

I am leaning toward the 10 speed as my derrailers are fairly recent vintage 105 with a long cage rear derrailer.

Again- Thanks!
I've run shimano bar-cons with triples, both with road FD/triple crank and mountain FD/triple crank. Plenty of throw for all the normal stuff.

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