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Old 03-08-11, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by auchencrow View Post
holy moly, that crank has the raleigh phoenix stamped into it !
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It's a heron, actually. But pretty cool, huh?
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Originally Posted by rhm View Post
It's a heron, actually. But pretty cool, huh?
I didn't know that. I just always assumed that it was a Phoenix because it was red and the red/orange around it were flames.

Would be a cool crank if it had two gears and was not cottered, but then again this is the same bike that has a handle on the front deraillur.
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Originally Posted by NukeouT View Post
Would be a cool crank if it had two gears and was not cottered, but then again this is the same bike that has a handle on the front deraillur.
It actually does have two chainrings: 49 and 46 teeth (hence, the need for the front derailleur). Here's one with only one ring:



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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
It actually does have two chainrings: 49 and 46 teeth (hence, the need for the front derailleur). Here's one with only one ring:



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I see it now. One does not usually encounter front rings where the ratios are so close.
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Originally Posted by NukeouT View Post
I see it now. One does not usually encounter front rings where the ratios are so close.
It's what we call "half step gearing." Shifting the rear derailleur is a whole step, shifting the front one is a half step. It works pretty well once you get the hang of it. Later touring bikes often came with granny-and-a-half-step gearing, which is only a little more complicated -- the same thing, basically, plus a much smaller chain ring that gives a whole series of lower gears.
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Originally Posted by NukeouT View Post
I see it now. One does not usually encounter front rings where the ratios are so close.
In the day they were the only option, I think. Front changer technology lacked the 'lifting' aspect that we are now used to, just the side-to-side pushing. This is the same set up on a Vindec I bought a couple of years ago:

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Originally Posted by NukeouT View Post
holy moly, that crank has the raleigh phoenix stamped into it !
I believe it's a heron.
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Originally Posted by auchencrow View Post
I just wanted to share this with those of you who didn't catch it on eBay - A very nice '58 Raleigh Lenton GP, in very nice condition. Went for $660. Possibly someone here bought it? If so, 'fess up please!










A VERY SHARP BIKE IN ALL ORIGINAL CONDITION, I BELEIVE, AT LEAST FOR THE MOST PART...DECALS AND PAINT HAVE SURVIVED AMAZINGLY WELL BUT DO HAVE SOME SCRATCHES AND CHIPS (SEE PICS), NOTHING SERIOUS FOR IT'S AGE...IT IS A 1958 LENTON GRAND PRIX, REG HARRIS ROAD MODEL BUILT WITH REYNOLDS 531 TUBES, SEE DECALS...IT HAS BLUEMELS "POPULAR" MUDGUARDS (FENDERS), 27-1 1/4 HIGH FLANGE RIMS WITH "RALEIGH RACING" TIRES, ORIGINAL BROOKS B-15 SADDLE, GB SPORT MK3 BRAKE CALIPERS WITH GB ARRET LEVERS, WILLIAMS DOUBLE "HERRON" CHAINWHEEL 46-49, CYCLO BENELUX 8 SP REAR DERAILLEUR, BENELUX, LEVER SUICIDE ROD, FRONT HAND SHIFTER DERAILLEUR...STILL RETAINS IT'S ORIGINAL FORK MOUNTED, HERRON LAMP BRACKET...PHOTOS PRETTY MUCH SHOW DETAILS...PUMP IS NOT INCLUDED, SORRY! I BORROWED IT TO SHOW THE MOUNTING AREA...

MEASUREMENTS ARE:

23" OR 58CM CENTER CRANK TO TOP OF SEAT TUBE...

22.5" OR 57CM TOP TUBE CxC...
I'm pretty sure this is the bike I just bought here in NorCal
yesterday. Still has that stupid goddamned kickstand and
even the rust at the ends of the chainstays is in the same
places. Mine also came sans pump, and the wording
on the CL ad is identical to that in your quoted e-bay
listing. Small world, isn't it ?

At first glance, even though it's all original, I'm gonna have
to make some substantial (but reversible ) modifications
in the wheels and drive train. Its main value seems to be
historical, because compared to what got made in the 70's
and 80's as production road bikes, this is pretty low end on
the technology scale. I figure I'll just mock up some similar hubs
with modern alloy 27" rims and decent tires. probably put on
a different rear derailleur and chain, service the crank and head
set bearings, and give it a little exercise in the spring.

It seems to have spent its life since the e-bay sale as wall art.

The paint and decals are unbelievable for 50 years plus. That
crank is also quite unique in my experience, and a thing of beauty
in a cottered kinda way.

All suggestions, tips, hints for living with benelux, and wishes
for good luck with the suicide shifter will be gratefully accepted.

I'll try to post some photos in a few days, meanwhile, if there's
anything you really want a picture of, tell me here and I'll try
to accommodate you (within reason....no nudity please.)
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Well, since I had one, and sold it, I will admit my credibility is compromised. But my advice with this would be to leave the bike as is until you've ridden it at least a few hundred miles.

Honestly, the lever operated shifter is no harder to reach than the downtube shifter, and with the lever you feel an immediacy in the shifting that you'll never get through any cable. That Benelux derailleur works just fine between 46 and 49 tooth chainrings. If you change the crank to something with a wider range, then you will need to change the derailleur as well; but I wouldn't.

The rear derailleur is similar; it shifts just fine between those cogs. If the bike falls over repeatedly and the derailleur gets bent, it won't shift as well any more. Mine was permanetly bent, which was fine; I put a 14-28 freewheel on there and the derailleur shifted cleanly between the largest 4, ignoring the 14T cog completely.

If you put some miles on the bike as is, I think you'll find it rides quite nicely and the derailleurs operate as intended. If you want a more modern bike, you can probably pick up a whole modern bike for what you'd spend 'upgrading' this one. And upgrading this one won't be that easy; you have one shifter boss, no derailleur hanger, long reach brakes, 27" wheels. I am not sure you can get a modern hub into the rear dropouts without filing something, and spreading the rear triangle out. None of this is impossible, of course. But I just don't think it's necessary. This is a cool bike as is; changing it won't make it that much better.
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On second thought, I would unwrap the handlebars, move the brake levers up a couple inches, and rewrap the bars. Levers in that position looks very uncomfortable to me.

The seat looks goofy pushed that far forward; but don't change it until you've ridden it. That bike has a long top tube, if I recall correctly.
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Holy COW, 3alarmer! Here I was thinking some newbie dredged up another zombie thread, and I see it's YOU dredging up a zombie thread!

There was never a better reason.

What an amazing Raleigh!
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I seriously liked that bike, but flipping has ruined me, and I can't bring myself to pay anything resembling a market price for a bike - any bike.
Come to france and get seriously ruined, over 50 euros, your having a joke right?
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I seriously liked that bike, but flipping has ruined me, and I can't bring myself to pay anything resembling a market price for a bike - any bike.
Me either.lol
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Sweet bike for whoever snagged it! @rhm, Same color and lugs as my 69/70 "James" cycle!"
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Originally Posted by ilikebikes View Post
Sweet bike for whoever snagged it! @rhm, Same color and lugs as my 69/70 "James" cycle!"
And that is the color my Kestrel would have been originally too, were it not repainted brown. I think they call it Polychromatic Gold or something like that.


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That is one sick bike! Can't wait to find one!
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Originally Posted by photogravity View Post
And that is the color my Kestrel would have been originally too, were it not repainted brown. I think they call it Polychromatic Gold or something like that.
I think the Lenton color was called Sunset Yellow or something like that.

Ilikebikes, if you look closely at better photos I think you'll see the Lenton Grand Prix has somewhat fancier lugs than your James, but who cares. The James is a good looking bike. Put a 22.2 mm drop bar on it and you can make it look almost exactly like that Kestrel.
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...so I finally started on it as a project. I dismantled the thing today. I was amused to see my statement about posting some more photos "in a few days". The thing came apart like it was only put together last year. Hard to believe it was ever ridden.
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...so I finally started on it as a project. I dismantled the thing today. I was amused to see my statement about posting some more photos "in a few days". The thing came apart like it was only put together last year. Hard to believe it was ever ridden.
Hard to believe I'm not the slowest here at getting to projects. (I'm the guy who's nearing completion of a Lenton Sports of a similar era with the same basic color scheme that I purchased from randyjawa over 3 years ago)

Setting the lesser one here up as my wife's "city bike", built 650a wheels and putting NOS entry level Simplex mechs on it.

Definitely looking forward to pictures as you work through the project, and of course, at the end.
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...in an ideal world, I'd like to overcoat all those precious decals with some kind of epoxy clear coat. But I need to figure out what's going on with the original paint, which looks like it already has some kind of clear coat (which might very well be some kind of lacquer, which I would hate to lift or bubble.) I sprayed the interior with an oil rust preventive yesterday. It's cold here, so that will take some days to dry. Meanwhile, there's a rainy period coming up where I can take a look at the wheel and spoke tensions. Those Dunlop stainless rims are impressive for the 1950's. The hubs are less impressive, but certainly an upgrade from the standard Raleigh Sports of that era.
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697mm lightweight sprint rims

On my old lightweight sprint rims I attempted to get a standard 26 x 1 3/8 tire on it. I didn't know they are 7 mm too small and require a sprint tyre to fit. They are still available on ebay.(thank God)
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