Ebay or Craig's list, which should I try 1st for max $$$$
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Ebay or Craig's list, which should I try 1st for max $$$$
I have two bikes I'm marketing, both should be worth $1000 or more. One is a very clean & original 1974 Paramount and the other is a 2008 Lynskey Titanium road bike. Niether fit me perfectly.
Should I just throw them both on eBay.? Should I give Craig's list a try first?
I'm in Chicago.
Should I just throw them both on eBay.? Should I give Craig's list a try first?
I'm in Chicago.
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ebay provides you with a larger potential audience, but at a price... insertion fee + % of the final sale + paypal's cut + cost and hassle of shipping, also factor in that you don't necessarily have a sure sell at the price you think they're worth.
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Throwing them on either system is not a guarantee of top return. You really need to develop and implement a marketing plan, with awesome full size pictures, a professional ad, etc. Also, have you sold much on ebay? Do you have spotless feedback, preferably with successful sales (and shipments) of bicycles? And are you willing/able/and ready to ship at a reasonable cost (no I'll drop it off at the bike shop of your choice, you handle the details)? ebay has the "potential" to net quite a bit more, your abilities to market it and a little luck will determine the results.
Of course, there is no cost to posting on C/L, but odds of getting top dollar are very low.
I sell on ebay every week, and one of my continuing irritations is the variance on completed prices. And I regularly buy items on ebay where the seller has made a variety of mistakes along the lines of my comments above.
Of course, there is no cost to posting on C/L, but odds of getting top dollar are very low.
I sell on ebay every week, and one of my continuing irritations is the variance on completed prices. And I regularly buy items on ebay where the seller has made a variety of mistakes along the lines of my comments above.
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On ebay you also run the risk of the buyer not liking the bike, complaining and having paypal freezing your account. Ebay/Paypal will ALWAYS back the buyer. They absolutely care nothing about the seller.
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Originally Posted by wrk101
Throwing them on either system is not a guarantee of top return. You really need to develop and implement a marketing plan, with awesome full size pictures, a professional ad, etc.
Also, have you sold much on ebay? Do you have spotless feedback, preferably with successful sales (and shipments) of bicycles? And are you willing/able/and ready to ship at a reasonable cost (no I'll drop it off at the bike shop of your choice, you handle the details)? ebay has the "potential" to net quite a bit more, your abilities to market it and a little luck will determine the results.
Of course, there is no cost to posting on C/L, but odds of getting top dollar are very low.
I sell on ebay every week, and one of my continuing irritations is the variance on completed prices. And I regularly buy items on ebay where the seller has made a variety of mistakes along the lines of my comments above.
Also, have you sold much on ebay? Do you have spotless feedback, preferably with successful sales (and shipments) of bicycles? And are you willing/able/and ready to ship at a reasonable cost (no I'll drop it off at the bike shop of your choice, you handle the details)? ebay has the "potential" to net quite a bit more, your abilities to market it and a little luck will determine the results.
Of course, there is no cost to posting on C/L, but odds of getting top dollar are very low.
I sell on ebay every week, and one of my continuing irritations is the variance on completed prices. And I regularly buy items on ebay where the seller has made a variety of mistakes along the lines of my comments above.
I'll have nice pictures & text (I have the Ti bike ready to sell) :
Lynskey/Planet X Titanium Sportive Road Bike
Lightweight and ultra strong, yet and fluid enough to suck the sting out of back road centuries, titanium is the perfect material for long distance challenge rides. The Planet X Sportive has been hand sculpted and shaped to produce effortlessly fast endurance ergonomics. Hand crafted & signed by Lynskey in the USA, this bike offers all-weather duarability, performance and a silky smooth ride.
This model has all of the features of a modern Lynskey road bike including the oversized and ovalized downtube, curved seat stays. Compare to the Lynskey Sportive. If you were to buy this model (it is only sold in England), it would cost $2600 pounds or $4300. See: https://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/...lite---shimano
Professionally built by Get-a Grip in Chicago. Featuring True Temper Alpha Q GS-10 Carbon Fork, the Planet X has the following build items
Selle Italia Sella Flite saddle (new, never ridden)
FSA Compact Omega drop bars
Shimano Ultegra SL Ice Gray compact crankset
Shimano Ultegra 11-23 ten speed cassette
Shimano Ultegra SL Ice Gray brakes
Shimano Ultegra rear derailleur
Shimano R700 (Adjustable reach Ultegra level) Brifters
Shimano 105 Front derailleur
Cane Creek S-3 headset
Mavic Open Pro / Shimano 105 wheelset
Continental 700x25 Gatorskin tires
This bike has less than 500 miles of use. I’m selling because I need a larger bike for brevit use. The bike fits like a semi-compact 58cm size for riders 5’ 8 to 6’2”. Please review the geometry before bidding.
Geometry;
A Head Angle (°) 73.5
B Head Tube Length (mm) 180
C Effective Top Tube Horizontal (mm) 577
D Seat Angle (°) 73
E Seat Tube Length Centre to Top (mm) 580
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This will be the ad for the Paramount;
1972 Schwinn Paramount Professional Road Racer
Specs are as follows:
Frame Size: 22in BB - Seat Post top
Standover height is @32.5in
TT center to center is 22
Color: Red
Tubing: Reynolds 531 Double Butted with chromed lugs, Stays & Fork end
Drop outs: Campagnolo long slot
Original Campagnolo Nuovo Record Group
Brooks Professional Leather seat (new in 2010)
Weinnman center pull brakes
I am the original owner. I purchased the bike in 1973 as an employee of George Garner Cyclery in Northbrook, IL. Bid with the assurance that this item is as described, if not better in person.
Paramount Professional Road Racer. This is a low mile original bike restored and painted at the Chicago Paramount factory in 1980 and has been a display bike since, with less than 100 miles in the last 30 years.
The Campagnolo Nuovo Record group drive-train and shifters. The freewheel is a later Suntour 13-22 5-speed, I have the OE 14-26 freewheel also included. Original Cinelli engraved bars. The wheel-set in new in 2010, with 1980 Dura Ace high-flange hubs and 700c Sun CR 18 32 hole rims. 700x28 Continental Gatorskin tires are in very good condition. I also have a set of restorable Campagnolo Nuovo Record high-flange hubs that are period correct for the bike. These will be included. The bike has a new Brooks Professional saddle. The pictures feature a modern Thomas Seat-post. This will be removed and the OE Campagnolo seat-post will be included.
Paint is glossy and very smooth. Chrome is very nice and in great condition. There are a few abrasions to the paint, but never any exposed steel or rust. The drive-train has been disassembled and rebuilt with all new grease for all bearings. The bike has never seen rain. It is ready for a century ride today.
Over all this is a very clean Paramount and would make a good addition to any collection or a great weekend rider.
New within the last few years: Tires, Tubes, brake cables, shift cables. All bearings were replaced or repacked and the hubs were polished. Bar Wrap looks Schwinn NOS.
Always kept inside and out of the elements.
Specs are as follows:
Frame Size: 22in BB - Seat Post top
Standover height is @32.5in
TT center to center is 22
Color: Red
Tubing: Reynolds 531 Double Butted with chromed lugs, Stays & Fork end
Drop outs: Campagnolo long slot
Original Campagnolo Nuovo Record Group
Brooks Professional Leather seat (new in 2010)
Weinnman center pull brakes
I am the original owner. I purchased the bike in 1973 as an employee of George Garner Cyclery in Northbrook, IL. Bid with the assurance that this item is as described, if not better in person.
Paramount Professional Road Racer. This is a low mile original bike restored and painted at the Chicago Paramount factory in 1980 and has been a display bike since, with less than 100 miles in the last 30 years.
The Campagnolo Nuovo Record group drive-train and shifters. The freewheel is a later Suntour 13-22 5-speed, I have the OE 14-26 freewheel also included. Original Cinelli engraved bars. The wheel-set in new in 2010, with 1980 Dura Ace high-flange hubs and 700c Sun CR 18 32 hole rims. 700x28 Continental Gatorskin tires are in very good condition. I also have a set of restorable Campagnolo Nuovo Record high-flange hubs that are period correct for the bike. These will be included. The bike has a new Brooks Professional saddle. The pictures feature a modern Thomas Seat-post. This will be removed and the OE Campagnolo seat-post will be included.
Paint is glossy and very smooth. Chrome is very nice and in great condition. There are a few abrasions to the paint, but never any exposed steel or rust. The drive-train has been disassembled and rebuilt with all new grease for all bearings. The bike has never seen rain. It is ready for a century ride today.
Over all this is a very clean Paramount and would make a good addition to any collection or a great weekend rider.
New within the last few years: Tires, Tubes, brake cables, shift cables. All bearings were replaced or repacked and the hubs were polished. Bar Wrap looks Schwinn NOS.
Always kept inside and out of the elements.
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Those are sweet bikes and generally well presented. My only quibble is that you're showing the Paramount with a crazy amount of seat post showing. You want to show it so as to let potential buyers imagine riding it--they'd have to be very tall ones as is!
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And rotate your bars back down.
And rotate your bars back down.
Originally Posted by nlerner
Those are sweet bikes and generally well presented. My only quibble is that you're showing the Paramount with a crazy amount of seat post showing. You want to show it so as to let potential buyers imagine riding it--they'd have to be very tall ones as is!
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Why wouldn't you just put the original seatpost back on & re-take pictures? Also, why was the bike restored/repainted? Are those the correct decals for a 72?
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I would definitely try Craigslist first. I hate packaging a bike for shipment. I sold a couple bikes on Ebay. One got a good price. The other, a Terry Georgina went for $105, or about $250 lower than expected.
Chicago is a good Craigslist area like D.C. I have a harder time with bikes over $400 but they do sell. If you have time give it a few weeks locally.
Chicago is a good Craigslist area like D.C. I have a harder time with bikes over $400 but they do sell. If you have time give it a few weeks locally.
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Originally Posted by 91MF
the way you've centered the text for the paramount ad is my pet peeve. i cant even stand to read it.
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Originally Posted by Barrettscv
I have a 100% rating on eBay with 185 rated transactions. No prior bike sales, however.
Buyers will take a chance with sellers who don't have much selling feedback, or haven't had much lately, but it can lead to discounting. As long as you start the bikes at a price you can live with, you will be OK.
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I've listed the Ti road bike: https://cgi.ebay.com/Lynskey-Planet-X...item2c5b6726d9
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The comments above really cover everything but I do have one other suggestion. List it on Serotta's classified section (especially the ti bike). You might get 10% - 20% less, but you'll deal with a non-idiot and not have any fees or hassles. Be aware that selling complete bikes on ebay is quite dangerous. Paypal often keeps your money until the buyer confirms everything is ok...putting you totally at the buyer's mercy. I avoid paypal/ebay because of this, because their fees are outrageous, because of some political issues with their CEO, because they're a monopoly and because it's a hassle to ship and deal with buyers oversees (which you have to do if you want top dollar).
In my experience, paypal/ebay's customer service is utterly horrendous for sellers. I have a 100% feed back rating, have had multiple transactions as a seller, have 4.9 DSRs and meet every requirement paypal has...but they still freeze my sales. I've asked why a dozen times, never get an answer, am told that the terms and conditions I meet don't apply for what they deem special circumstances and that effectively they'll do whatever they want. Paypal has been class action sued a few times, settled out of court as I recall, and continue with the policies that completely screw sellers. They literally can keep your money as long as they want and there is very little you can do about it. They don't pay interest or late fees and you are totally at their mercy. They also don't offer explanations or justifications and until you sue them, are unresponsive.
In my experience, paypal/ebay's customer service is utterly horrendous for sellers. I have a 100% feed back rating, have had multiple transactions as a seller, have 4.9 DSRs and meet every requirement paypal has...but they still freeze my sales. I've asked why a dozen times, never get an answer, am told that the terms and conditions I meet don't apply for what they deem special circumstances and that effectively they'll do whatever they want. Paypal has been class action sued a few times, settled out of court as I recall, and continue with the policies that completely screw sellers. They literally can keep your money as long as they want and there is very little you can do about it. They don't pay interest or late fees and you are totally at their mercy. They also don't offer explanations or justifications and until you sue them, are unresponsive.
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Originally Posted by Barrettscv
This will be the ad for the Paramount;
ADD THIS: This is a used bicycle. Therefore it is only reasonable to expect a variety of minor blemishes. The pictures provided accuratley depict the overall condition of the bike. If you would like specific pictures feel free to contact me at any time and I will forward high resolutions images to you.
1972 Schwinn Paramount Professional Road Racer
Specs are as follows:
Seat tube: 22in center to top
Standover height is ~32.5in
Top Tube: 22in center to centerColor: Red
Tubing: Reynolds 531 Double Butted with chromed lugs, Stays & Fork ends
Drop outs and fork ends: Campagnolo
Original Campagnolo Nuovo Record Group
Brooks Professional Leather seat (new in 2010)
Weinnman center pull brakes
Paramount Professional Road Racer. This is a low mile original bike restored and painted at the Chicago Paramount factory in 1980 and has been a display bike since, with less than 100 miles in the last 30 years.
Campagnolo Nuovo Record drive-train and shifters. The freewheel is a later Suntour 13-22 5-speed, I have the OE 14-26 freewheel also included. Original Cinelli engraved bars. The wheel-set in new in 2010, with 1980 Dura Ace high-flange hubs and 700c Sun CR 18 32 hole rims. 700x28 Continental Gatorskin tires are in very good condition. I also have a set of restorable Campagnolo Nuovo Record high-flange hubs that are period correct for the bike. These will be included. The bike has a new Brooks Professional saddle. The pictures feature a modern Thompsan Seat-post. This will be removed and the OE Campagnolo seat-post will be included.
Paint is glossy and very smooth. Chrome is in very good condition with not rust, peeling or pitting. There are a few abrasions to the paint but this is to be expected of a 40 year old bike. The drive-train has been disassembled, cleaned and the bearings have been repacked.
Over all this is a very clean Paramount and would make a great addition to any collection.
New within the last few years: Tires, Tubes, brake cables, shift cables. All bearings were replaced or repacked and the hubs were polished.
Specs are as follows:
Seat tube: 22in center to top
Standover height is ~32.5in
Top Tube: 22in center to centerColor: Red
Tubing: Reynolds 531 Double Butted with chromed lugs, Stays & Fork ends
Drop outs and fork ends: Campagnolo
Original Campagnolo Nuovo Record Group
Brooks Professional Leather seat (new in 2010)
Weinnman center pull brakes
Paramount Professional Road Racer. This is a low mile original bike restored and painted at the Chicago Paramount factory in 1980 and has been a display bike since, with less than 100 miles in the last 30 years.
Campagnolo Nuovo Record drive-train and shifters. The freewheel is a later Suntour 13-22 5-speed, I have the OE 14-26 freewheel also included. Original Cinelli engraved bars. The wheel-set in new in 2010, with 1980 Dura Ace high-flange hubs and 700c Sun CR 18 32 hole rims. 700x28 Continental Gatorskin tires are in very good condition. I also have a set of restorable Campagnolo Nuovo Record high-flange hubs that are period correct for the bike. These will be included. The bike has a new Brooks Professional saddle. The pictures feature a modern Thompsan Seat-post. This will be removed and the OE Campagnolo seat-post will be included.
Paint is glossy and very smooth. Chrome is in very good condition with not rust, peeling or pitting. There are a few abrasions to the paint but this is to be expected of a 40 year old bike. The drive-train has been disassembled, cleaned and the bearings have been repacked.
Over all this is a very clean Paramount and would make a great addition to any collection.
New within the last few years: Tires, Tubes, brake cables, shift cables. All bearings were replaced or repacked and the hubs were polished.
ADD THIS: This is a used bicycle. Therefore it is only reasonable to expect a variety of minor blemishes. The pictures provided accuratley depict the overall condition of the bike. If you would like specific pictures feel free to contact me at any time and I will forward high resolutions images to you.
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I guess I'm the only one who likes Ebay and Paypal, if you post honest accurate ads you issues will be limited. My worst transaction have been with some of the CR guys.
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Originally Posted by miamijim
I guess I'm the only one who likes Ebay and Paypal, if you post honest accurate ads you issues will be limited. My worst transaction have been with some of the CR guys.
I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to be out 1700 for 6 weeks and completely at the mercy of paypal/ebay if something goes wrong.
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Originally Posted by mparker326
Why wouldn't you just put the original seatpost back on & re-take pictures? Also, why was the bike restored/repainted? Are those the correct decals for a 72?
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
The comments above really cover everything but I do have one other suggestion. List it on Serotta's classified section (especially the ti bike). You might get 10% - 20% less, but you'll deal with a non-idiot and not have any fees or hassles. Be aware that selling complete bikes on ebay is quite dangerous. Paypal often keeps your money until the buyer confirms everything is ok...putting you totally at the buyer's mercy. I avoid paypal/ebay because of this, because their fees are outrageous, because of some political issues with their CEO, because they're a monopoly and because it's a hassle to ship and deal with buyers oversees (which you have to do if you want top dollar).
In my experience, paypal/ebay's customer service is utterly horrendous for sellers. I have a 100% feed back rating, have had multiple transactions as a seller, have 4.9 DSRs and meet every requirement paypal has...but they still freeze my sales. I've asked why a dozen times, never get an answer, am told that the terms and conditions I meet don't apply for what they deem special circumstances and that effectively they'll do whatever they want. Paypal has been class action sued a few times, settled out of court as I recall, and continue with the policies that completely screw sellers. They literally can keep your money as long as they want and there is very little you can do about it. They don't pay interest or late fees and you are totally at their mercy. They also don't offer explanations or justifications and until you sue them, are unresponsive.
In my experience, paypal/ebay's customer service is utterly horrendous for sellers. I have a 100% feed back rating, have had multiple transactions as a seller, have 4.9 DSRs and meet every requirement paypal has...but they still freeze my sales. I've asked why a dozen times, never get an answer, am told that the terms and conditions I meet don't apply for what they deem special circumstances and that effectively they'll do whatever they want. Paypal has been class action sued a few times, settled out of court as I recall, and continue with the policies that completely screw sellers. They literally can keep your money as long as they want and there is very little you can do about it. They don't pay interest or late fees and you are totally at their mercy. They also don't offer explanations or justifications and until you sue them, are unresponsive.
On the Ti bike, I'm limiting shipping to the lower 48 states and have asked international eBay members not to bid.
I'm concerned that Ebay is going to be a problem.
Michael
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