Late 80's steel frame road bike - looking for help to ID it
 

Hey all,

I finally got a project for myself that I'm trying to identify and was wondering if some of the more experienced members here could help me.

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It's a 57cm top tube / 58.5cm seat tube which is great, 26.7 or 26.8 seat post, english thread BB, 1" threaded fork and from the components appears to be late 80's, it also has recessed brake mounting bolts, though it has over-the-bottom bracket cable routing.

The serial number on the bottom bracket is P 6520177.

It came to me wearing a VeLo saddle, a Kalloy fluted alloy seatpost, non aero Champion alloy, Sakei stem, Shimano 500 Exage (BLA-451) levers, with matching brakes (BRA-500), SunTour Sprint 9000 DT shifters, Shimano 600 (FD-6207) front derailleur,Shimano 600 EX SIS (BD-6208) rear derailleur, and the crankset is Sugino GLP.

Seems to be pretty high quality stuff from the late 80's.

I also got with the frame some Kanlin 700c alloy rims with UniGlide Shimano 105 hubs and 7spd cassette, but I don't think they belonged to this bike and won't be used..

Here's some pics of the lugs and frame if anyone can get some clues from those.

Paint wise it seems to have been metallic blue with fades to a metallic red head and seat tube.

Bare frame weight is 2.1kg and fork 0.7kg as measured on the ubiquitious digital bathroom scale. I can't find any stamps on the frame or fork, but it is very light and very well brazed with forged drop outs so it can't be total rubbish.

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Any clues to identifying it would be much appreciated, thank you!

Not late 80's per the bb cable guide, which was more common before that.
Lugs are fairly standard, came on many a Japanese-made bike from the late 70's to mid 80's.
The bottle braze-ons remind me of my Japanese-made Paramounts, but are not unique to them.

Closest I can get is late 70's to mid 80's Japanese, could be Nishiki, Centurion, Fuji, Shogun, many others.
Could easily be chromoly, based on the lug work, but may be earlier Hi-ten. I'd say, based on the components, that a previous owner likely knew he/she had a good frame and put good stuff on it.

Components are from much later, but I just don't know enough to match the frame to them.

Depending on your goal, worth a good blasting and powder-coat, $75-$125 around here, then build it, ride it.
Probably a pretty good ride.

Thanks for the reply!

Yeah I know that's the trouble with Japanese bicycles .. so many brand names attached to a frame coming from one factory!

I can strip frames at home as I have a background restoring motorcycles and a fair bit of gear, so my intention is to clean this up, powdercoat it .. and run it with the shifters, brakes, levers, etc that it came with but cleaned up .. and I've ordered new hoods, bar tape, a new seat post (the old one was all gouged up) Selle Italia Turbo saddle, and I'm putting a HyperGlide compatible wheelset on it with a 7 speed cassette .. probably going to run Shimano WH-R500 wheels, with a spacer to run 7spd.

I've also got a Shimano 600 stem and some other nice bits and pieces to go on ..

The theme is white frame, blue bar tape/tyres (Michelin Lithion) and gold pinstriping ..

maybe revise a term from the Motorcycle world: UJM (Universal Japanese Motorcycle) and call it a UJRB (Road Bike, pronounced like Yujurb, I'd think).
Probably better than Hi-Ten, judging from the details I'd say it's around the level of Tange Champ #2 tubing...if you have a serial number T-Mar (or his data-base serial # threads) can help ID it...is there nothing stamped on the fork steerer?

Other than the bb cable guide, looks a lot like a LeMans

Nothing that I can see on the fork steerer .. just the serial number on the BB .. thanks guys .. UJRB .. I like it! haha ..

Does anyone know what serial numbers on old Peugeot's look like? Someone said to me it looked like it might be a Peugeot .. but I thought they had different BB threading?

With only mudguard bosses on the fork one can wonder if said originally belonged to this frame?

Both layers of paint on the fork match the frame and the base layer appears to be the original on both, and the lugs seem to match.. it is a very weird one though..

I've since removed them on the fork.

Looks like a Schwinn (Greenville built) to me.

You removed the fender eyelets?

Similar to late 1980s Fuji
 

In the last year, I've worked on four late 1980s Fujis, and the seat-tube lugwork, headtube lugwork, and seatstay tips (at the seattube-toptube joint) look very, very much like the mid-to-high Ishiwata Si-35 Feather tubing on the 1988 Saratoga, 1989 Club, and 1990 Ace. The crown on the fork argues for an earlier design, as unicrown began to replace this design right around that time.
Phil G.

That, and the fork has domed stay ends, while the frame has chiseled stay ends. I suspect the fork is a replacement, but the fact that both the frame and fork have blue paint underneath the white suggests multiple repaints in this bike's history.

true, but the chainstays are chiseled while the seatstays are scalloped...with domed fork tips: trifecta! :p

I just want to say I have the same workbench lol, got it 75% off.

It ain't going to hurt. Takes some acetone to that thing. The truth will be revealed.

I've been a bit swamped with uni work lately and havent had time to strip the frame ready for powdercoating.

I have however ordered almost all of the parts for the rebuild.

I am looking forward to finishing it!

Well, in the Miyata and Univega world, the P would make it a 1987 model. I didn't see any cues that argue against that, but my knowledge is pretty limited.

Considering the bike is in Oz, is that very likely?

SP
Bend, OR

I've never seen a Schwinn in Australia, but they do import them here now. Nice bikes.

The components scream 1987 .. but the braze-on's on the frame do not necessarily, a lot of people have said it's an older frame with updated components.

I've given up trying to work out what it was, it's a really nice frame and I'm going to enjoy building it up with the high-quality 80's 7 speed stuff I have and some fast-rolling modern wheels.

I've put my old aero-style brakes (exage sport 500) on ebay and bought some shimano 600 non-aero levers and calipers to match my derailleurs, and I've decided to go for a colour scheme and overall look inspired by this Rene Herse racer :

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=196127

So I'm trying to scrounge some wheels and will go for a similiar colour for the frame and blue bar tape with gum hoods. If only I got some time to do this all around my studies.. d'oh!

I have a 74 roberts that has a simalar colour scheme, i'd do the bar tape in another colour though, the slightly miss-matched blues dont work for me. i am looking for a mid grey at the moment.

and if you can, chrome the forks.

I stripped the frame of the previous 2 coats of paint today .. and to my surprise it now registers as 1.8kg on the scales, with the fork still being 0.7kg. Damn that's pretty light for a 57 top tube / 58.5 seat tube steel frame isn't it?

Also .. my brakes arrived today .. sans cable adjusters, damn dodgy ebayers! I'll have to find some to suit now. They'll look great on the bike though with the matching non-aero levers.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=197537

Do you have the piece that goes on those brake arms? I forgot what they are called. Barrel adjusters maybe?
That frame looks like a project and a half!!
Oh, did you say you took off those eyelets?

I don't have the cable adjusters .. I got shafted on an ebay auction and they arrived with some random ones that don't fit. Trying to find some .. any tips would be most appreciated. The holes for them are half round like a D shape.

I took off the eyelets on the fork yes. There were none on the frame drop outs so I took them off (just enough to take off the eyelets I didn't cut into the dropout) with a flap wheel on a grinder and blended them to match. I've done a lot of metal fabrication and they look very neat.

Also .. I ordered some dropout adjusters for the frame yesterday. Love the look of those!