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I need your help Bikeforums! Miyata 621 ST (no info anywhere on the internet)

Old 04-05-11, 03:24 PM
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I need your help Bikeforums! Miyata 621 ST (no info anywhere on the internet)

Hi there! This is my first time posting to this forum. I'm kind of new to bikes, and I was hoping for a bit of help identifying the history of a particular bike I just happened upon.

The bike is a Miyata, and the model number of the bike is 621 ST (that is, a 600 series touring bike, but not a 610, 600 GT, 615, or whatever else)

It's a curious Miyata because it's made in Canada as opposed to Japan. This makes sense, because judging from the RSX components it is from the mid 1990s. Japan was probably looking to outsource their manufacturing etc...

There aren't any markings on the seat-tube aside from a 'made in canada' sticker, and a certification that the bike is chromo throughout.

Can anyone tell me about the tubing? Do you know where I can find a Miyata catalog from 1995/1996?

I literally can't find any information on this bike.

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Old 04-05-11, 03:26 PM
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Oh newbie...we need pics of this unicorn!
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That sounds really fishy. Miyata is (still) a bike manufacturer, and abandoned the us market in the 90s rather than outsource production to Taiwan. ( I'm sure it was way more complicated than that. ). But why would they ever have contracted any of their manufacturing to Canada? Pics and more research are needed!
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A search on google showed over 600,000 hits on Miyata 621ST, including several discussions on this forum. Looked at a few of them, by the 1990s, meaningful information on Miyatas was sketchy.

Several "made in" stickers are misleading, like the "Made in Italy" bikes now that have made in China frames. Its pretty common throughout the industry. So made in XXX, may only really mean painted and assembled in XXX.

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Sorry WRK 101, but I think that the majority of the google hits are related to medical supplies. Of the Miyata 621 posts on this forum, there are two. One of them is unrelated to the bike, and the other one (which seems substantially incomplete) merely suggests that such a bike exists.

The bike is certifiably from the mid 1990s. Again, it has an RSX group....

I'm working on uploading some pictures.

I think it's intriguing, especially because it would fall right in the period when Japan's manufacturing/export industry became untenable (i.e. what happened to Miyata in the mid-late ninteys?).

I think it's plausible, but I want your expert opinions!

Thanks again!

Pics in a minute!
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Have you seen this?

https://www.miyatacatalogs.com/2007/1...alog-1994.html

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Dear nlerner,

I have seen those Miyata catalogs. I think they stop short of mine though (by several years I'm guessing).

I've uploaded a series of pictures of the bike to a photostream. Have a look for yourselves:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/57589620@N03/?saved=1

Again, I really appreciate your help and consideration. This is a great community.

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Looks a lot mine, it was special ordered for outfitters in the bay area for bike tours. Mine originally was all suntour.
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The headbadge is an evolution of the Miyata badge with the gear from the early 80s on, and the 'Made in Canada' sure is prominent. I bet Bill is right, the 'Made' actually means 'assembled,' or some minor phase of the process, to satisfy a 'local content' law or tariff. It couldn't have been economically viable for them to actually source production to Canada, could it?
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Can any one else offer me any more information? There must be some place on the internet which details the production history of Miyata bikes after 1994...
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Have you contacted the guy who put the Miyata catalogs up on the web? He was apparently an importer for Miyata and lives in Canada so might have some insight. Let us know what (if anything) you find!
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Thanks Chicago!

I've tried contacting him through his blog. I will let you know what I hear!

Thanks again for the suggestions and information.
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I have what appears to be the identical bike to GTizzy's. Bought in Canada (Carleton Place ON) in 2000, but I think it had been sitting in the shop for a couple of years, so I reckon it's a 1998 or 1998 model. It's a very nice bike, but it's always been too small for me, so I'm finally replacing it.
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I wonder if GTizzy ever heard from Mr Burgos, who put up the Miyata catalogs site. Looking at his bio more closely, it appears that Herman Burgos actually WAS the Miyata rep in Canada, so if anyone would know about this it would be him. However, he is a retired gent and it looks like he only maintains the website occasionally.
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Hey Chicago Al! I know this is a long time in coming. I never heard from Mr. Burgos... bike is fine though!
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RSX was a late 1990s group and a 621ST with RSX would be circa 1998-1999. I may be able to date it from the serial number but by that time most manufacturing was done in Taiwan so you may have to revert to the component date codes. Specs only listed the frame as being CM, which I took as chromium-molybdenum.
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