BG's been quiet lately. Must be deep in Hetchins wonderland. How about an update BG?!
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I have been working on the Hetchins today. unfortunately the aforementioned "suicide" front derailleur will not work correctly, so it was sadly removed. I do not happen to have a NR or SR front lying around and I was reluctant to remove one from another bike so I ended up with a Chorus erea one instead.
I got both derailleurs hooked up and they work fine. the front brake and fender are on but the stays need a little triming. I was about to install the rear fender when I realized there was no hole in the BB bridge . so it is off to ACE for a Pclamp. I do not have a hanger for the rearbrake I need to order one from VO.
now the big news. despite not having a functioning rear brake I did make a short test ride. it rides great! I was worried about the stem length but the overall position feels great. I have not owned one in decades but it feels like my old Sears 3spd. I was concerned also with the barends and and brake lever position. I was worried operating the barends may be awkard, but it seems to be an OK setup. I think for some reason if you wanted to use both brakelevers and both shifters at the same time that might be difficult but I do not foresee that happening.
if I get the rear fender mounted I will try and get a few pics posted.
I got both derailleurs hooked up and they work fine. the front brake and fender are on but the stays need a little triming. I was about to install the rear fender when I realized there was no hole in the BB bridge . so it is off to ACE for a Pclamp. I do not have a hanger for the rearbrake I need to order one from VO.
now the big news. despite not having a functioning rear brake I did make a short test ride. it rides great! I was worried about the stem length but the overall position feels great. I have not owned one in decades but it feels like my old Sears 3spd. I was concerned also with the barends and and brake lever position. I was worried operating the barends may be awkard, but it seems to be an OK setup. I think for some reason if you wanted to use both brakelevers and both shifters at the same time that might be difficult but I do not foresee that happening.
if I get the rear fender mounted I will try and get a few pics posted.
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I think that says Huret. Is it? Let me know if you want to unload it.
Also, do you have a picture of it with the clamp in the proper position? It seems the cage should be tilted up, it is too flat. Check out mine, https://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/d/...odel_B+004.jpg
Also, do you have a picture of it with the clamp in the proper position? It seems the cage should be tilted up, it is too flat. Check out mine, https://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/d/...odel_B+004.jpg
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yes it is a Huret and yes I amy end getting rid of it. right at this moment I am considering ditching the whole build!
I am not sure just what is the proper position for the clamp. it does not matter how I tilt it the chain only contacts the last 1/4 - 1/2" of the cage. rotating the clamp portion to the rear is not possible as then you would not have room to remove the wheel.
actually as I have just found out it seems there is not even room for fenders. I am not sure just what this frame was designed to to do but it is a complete egnima to me. there is enough tire clearance at the fork crown and brake bridge that you could have small bunnies stuck to the tires and they would turn. the chainstays and BB bridge is another story, you canbarely get a tire on and off. as noted earlier the BB bridge is not drilled, so I got a small nylon clamp. once I clamped the fender to the bridge I had to fight the x25 tires into the frame. the bottom of the fender is about 1/2" higher than normal, but is in almost the same place as if it were bolted to the bridge.
I could trim the bottom end of the fender and get it to fit in front of the bridge for more tire clearance, but even where it is now the FD pushes on it when I shift rings.
I am not sure just what is the proper position for the clamp. it does not matter how I tilt it the chain only contacts the last 1/4 - 1/2" of the cage. rotating the clamp portion to the rear is not possible as then you would not have room to remove the wheel.
actually as I have just found out it seems there is not even room for fenders. I am not sure just what this frame was designed to to do but it is a complete egnima to me. there is enough tire clearance at the fork crown and brake bridge that you could have small bunnies stuck to the tires and they would turn. the chainstays and BB bridge is another story, you canbarely get a tire on and off. as noted earlier the BB bridge is not drilled, so I got a small nylon clamp. once I clamped the fender to the bridge I had to fight the x25 tires into the frame. the bottom of the fender is about 1/2" higher than normal, but is in almost the same place as if it were bolted to the bridge.
I could trim the bottom end of the fender and get it to fit in front of the bridge for more tire clearance, but even where it is now the FD pushes on it when I shift rings.
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Bunnies ... lol ...
Anyway, in theory, the pivot of that Huret should be behind the seat tube and the rod should be centered along the seat tube. Sucks if it doesn't fit with the fender. Get rid of the fender or have a single ring up front. I guess that sucks too. I do like the rod shifter - old school index shifting.
If you do dump the Huret, let me know what you want for it. It will be an easy sale.
Anyway, in theory, the pivot of that Huret should be behind the seat tube and the rod should be centered along the seat tube. Sucks if it doesn't fit with the fender. Get rid of the fender or have a single ring up front. I guess that sucks too. I do like the rod shifter - old school index shifting.
If you do dump the Huret, let me know what you want for it. It will be an easy sale.
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I'm sorry you're having these problems, BG! A sticker in a friend's father's car cheers me up when I run into problems: Problems are nature's way of preparing us for greater things.
On the Huret, this is how they are supposed to be fitted:
The gubbins can interfere with fitting a mudguard, though, and it seems you're struggling to find space there, even with the Chorus FD. I had the same problem with my Katakura Silk and solved it by using a Nuovo Record FD as the only thing that extends behind the seat tube where the tyre is is the clamp band - the pivots are out to the side:
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IMG_5818 by Dawes-man, on Flickr[/IMG]
I wonder also if you wouldn't get more room by usung plastic Bluemels...
In any case, good luck!
On the Huret, this is how they are supposed to be fitted:
The gubbins can interfere with fitting a mudguard, though, and it seems you're struggling to find space there, even with the Chorus FD. I had the same problem with my Katakura Silk and solved it by using a Nuovo Record FD as the only thing that extends behind the seat tube where the tyre is is the clamp band - the pivots are out to the side:
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IMG_5818 by Dawes-man, on Flickr[/IMG]
I wonder also if you wouldn't get more room by usung plastic Bluemels...
In any case, good luck!
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I'm sorry you're having these problems, BG! A sticker in a friend's father's car cheers me up when I run into problems: Problems are nature's way of preparing us for greater things.
if that were true I should be Queen of the World LOL
The gubbins can interfere with fitting a mudguard, though, and it seems you're struggling to find space there, even with the Chorus FD. I had the same problem with my Katakura Silk and solved it by using a Nuovo Record FD as the only thing that extends behind the seat tube where the tyre is is the clamp band - the pivots are out to the side:
I'll have to look and see if I can find a NR/SR somewhere and try that.
I wonder also if you wouldn't get more room by usung plastic Bluemels...
In any case, good luck!
if that were true I should be Queen of the World LOL
The gubbins can interfere with fitting a mudguard, though, and it seems you're struggling to find space there, even with the Chorus FD. I had the same problem with my Katakura Silk and solved it by using a Nuovo Record FD as the only thing that extends behind the seat tube where the tyre is is the clamp band - the pivots are out to the side:
I'll have to look and see if I can find a NR/SR somewhere and try that.
I wonder also if you wouldn't get more room by usung plastic Bluemels...
In any case, good luck!
great looking bikes
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I cannot comment fully as there are only detail shots but I would look at the entire circumference of the fender and where it "should" be. The nylon clamp I think was a good idea, but review all the permutations of where it could go. Not being able to see how it is restricted or not at the seat stay bridge, that may be moot. Way back a number of frames needed fender modification adjacent to the front mechanism to provide operable clearance. Alloy can be finessed into shape, plastic not so much, wood... break out the Bosch saber saw, the only one up to the job. It's a scroll saw in you hand.
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Well well the Hetchins struck again yesterday. I really wanted the VO/ Surly SS cable hanger, you know th cool long one, well I have put off ordering it as that is the only thing I want from VO. the other day while up in Trexlertown on business I stopped in to the shop and bought a standard type seat binder mounted hanger. well much to my suprise, dismay and few other emotions it does not fit. it seems the 'ears' on the seat lug are not quite long enough for it to slip over the nut poertion of the binder bolt. so now the question is.. is the Surly smaller then a standard alloy hanger?
in other news I have a line on a SR FD and hopefully will have that as well as the fender on next week. I do need to find a metal P clip for the fender though. also with mounting frustration and lack of response from Mr Miller I contacted the Aussie imported and begged for help in figuring out the oddities of this frame. Mr Rodell was very nice and agreed to assist me. so hopefully I will find out soon if it is a stock frame or was built with these seemingly odd demensions on purpose for some reason.
in other news I have a line on a SR FD and hopefully will have that as well as the fender on next week. I do need to find a metal P clip for the fender though. also with mounting frustration and lack of response from Mr Miller I contacted the Aussie imported and begged for help in figuring out the oddities of this frame. Mr Rodell was very nice and agreed to assist me. so hopefully I will find out soon if it is a stock frame or was built with these seemingly odd demensions on purpose for some reason.
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Seems like Hetchins have that special exotic character like Ferraris do. A challenge to work on, but very rewarding in the end....Keep it up BG, you'll get it done good for sure!
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Say Goodbye to the MAFAcs or OY what a build
perhaps I need to work in a shop again and get used to real maintenance/build problems, but this Hetchins is really tasking my patience.
With not much else to do today, I decided to 'fit' the rear fender. the Woody's Ready to Ship fenders don't come with the brake bridge brace attached, you need to mark and drill it yourself. guess what? YESSSSssss about 5mm out of place . despite my lack of woodworking skills I over came that issue. I also managed to get the Chorus era FD to work with the fender, but I still want to change it for something to match the RD. I just made a deal with a fellow C&Ver and it should be in the mail tomorrow.
Alright the brakes. despite having 5 bikes with cantilevers I never liked to and therefore was never super good at adjusting them. I found the Mafacs to be the same way. as stated in the previous post, I don't think I can find a cable hanger to fit the seat binder, as there is no space behind it, so that was like the 5th nail in the Mafac coffin. then this afternoon on a brief test ride, despite the 95+ heat, while going down a shot but steepish incline (only about 1/2 a block) to a stop sign the unthinkable happened. that is right, and only I can take the blame, the straddle cable popped off the front brake. that made for a bit of interesting fun, but I got stopped OK.
So now I am back on the hunt for brakes. I do think I am just going to save myself alot of hassles and get the Tektros and be done with it. OK enough chit/chat here are a few pics.
those fabulous 'Vibrant Stays'
nice handlebars, and a real headbadge
the steering equipment
Woodys "Variation on a Sufer Theme" fenders
With not much else to do today, I decided to 'fit' the rear fender. the Woody's Ready to Ship fenders don't come with the brake bridge brace attached, you need to mark and drill it yourself. guess what? YESSSSssss about 5mm out of place . despite my lack of woodworking skills I over came that issue. I also managed to get the Chorus era FD to work with the fender, but I still want to change it for something to match the RD. I just made a deal with a fellow C&Ver and it should be in the mail tomorrow.
Alright the brakes. despite having 5 bikes with cantilevers I never liked to and therefore was never super good at adjusting them. I found the Mafacs to be the same way. as stated in the previous post, I don't think I can find a cable hanger to fit the seat binder, as there is no space behind it, so that was like the 5th nail in the Mafac coffin. then this afternoon on a brief test ride, despite the 95+ heat, while going down a shot but steepish incline (only about 1/2 a block) to a stop sign the unthinkable happened. that is right, and only I can take the blame, the straddle cable popped off the front brake. that made for a bit of interesting fun, but I got stopped OK.
So now I am back on the hunt for brakes. I do think I am just going to save myself alot of hassles and get the Tektros and be done with it. OK enough chit/chat here are a few pics.
those fabulous 'Vibrant Stays'
nice handlebars, and a real headbadge
the steering equipment
Woodys "Variation on a Sufer Theme" fenders
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The guy who respaced your rear dropouts apparently also bent the stays. They look badly buckled to my eyes. You should get them straightened. I suspect that once straightened, there will be plenty of room for you fenders. Oh, yeah, your fork's bent, too.
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Mafacs are a task to set up. But I think they're worth it. Be patient. I've been hoarding them just in case I want to put them on another bike I don't have yet.
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Looks beautiful! What bars are those?
EDIT: nevermind, just saw that they're Albatross bars. I am planning to use something similar on my mixte when I get around to putting it all together, also with bar end shifters and hopefully MTB brake levers.
EDIT: nevermind, just saw that they're Albatross bars. I am planning to use something similar on my mixte when I get around to putting it all together, also with bar end shifters and hopefully MTB brake levers.
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