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jimmuller 04-24-11 06:25 PM

All I can say is wow. Whudathunkit? Well, maybe it isn't surprising after all.

What defines a C&V guitar? (Hey, waitaminute, some of those pics aren't of guitars at all.) My oldest guitar is a Gibson J-50 I bought new when I graduated from high school in '66. My performance guitar is a Collings Clarence White made in May '89. My only other axe is a Fender Squier Bullet from '83 or '84. It doesn't get played much. Got no real pics of just the guitars though. Will have to remedy that.

auchencrow 04-24-11 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by jimmuller (Post 12550539)
All I can say is wow. Whudathunkit? Well, maybe it isn't surprising after all.

What defines a C&V guitar? (Hey, waitaminute, some of those pics aren't of guitars at all.) My oldest guitar is a Gibson J-50 I bought new when I graduated from high school in '66. My performance guitar is a Collings Clarence White made in May '89. My only other axe is a Fender Squier Bullet from '83 or '84. It doesn't get played much. Got no real pics of just the guitars though. Will have to remedy that.


Jim - I'm calling you out on that ^ So OK, you might not have pictures, but here is a You Tube Video with your Clarence White in action!

(Thar's some terrific talent in these here parts! :thumb:)

20grit 04-24-11 07:41 PM

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photo..._6126.jpg?dl=1
We were told not to post entire collections. Soooo... that's not my entire collection. I'm in the process of moving and only 4 guitars are staying here with me. Can't quite photograph them all singly.
So.... the C&V ones in the picture:
19-teens Lyon & Healy American Conservatory Parlor Guitar (nice little Brazilian Rosewood piece. Love playing it)
1930's Kalamazoo Mandolin
1936 Kalamazoo KG-14 Flat Top
Unknown Mail order mandolin
Old Teisco electric
1963 Gibson LG-1
The red electric in the photo is a 60's body that I built, but we'll actually call it a 2007 model.

I'll snap photos of the other vintage ones singly if the thread lasts long enough.

qualla 04-24-11 07:45 PM

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5106/...9b9beb3d_b.jpg
Gibson L-00, early to mid-thirties, with Austro-Daimler Inter 10 in co-ordinating colors.

Mike from Iowa 04-24-11 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by auchencrow
What are you going to pull out next - a 30's flathead Mastertone?
BIGGER PICTURES next time, OK?

I'm not sure why the pics are so small. And I won't be pulling out a 30's flathead Mastertone. I'm a clawhammer player, not a true bluegrasser. But I DO have a PRE-WAR MARTIN...

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=199226http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=199227http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=199228
...Style O Ukulele! Doesn't quite fetch the same price (or respect) of a D-28 guitar, but still a GREAT C&V instrument.

auchencrow 04-24-11 08:09 PM

Mike - Your pictures show up larger if you link to them directly from your host site. (You just paste the image code that begins with "[img..."

Like this:

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...6&d=1303695949

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...8&d=1303695973

...True they don't command the same price as a '39 'bone, but have you seen what pre-war ukes do command? :eek:

auchencrow 04-24-11 08:13 PM

qualla - those are wonderful - the L-00 and the AD both.

PS - Have you noticed how well loved every pre-war L-00 seems to be? (There's a reason for that!)

qualla 04-24-11 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by auchencrow (Post 12551011)
qualla - those are wonderful - the L-00 and the AD both.

PS - Have you noticed how well loved every pre-war L-00 seems to be? (There's a reason for that!)

Amen!

cb400bill 04-24-11 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by auchencrow (Post 12549892)
1917 Gibson F4

Made here in Kalamazoo.

cb400bill 04-24-11 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by Chicago Al (Post 12548567)
1945-6 Gibson J-45

Also made here in Kalamazoo.

jimmuller 04-24-11 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by auchencrow (Post 12550829)
Jim - I'm calling you out on that ^ So OK, you might not have pictures, but here is a You Tube Video with your Clarence White in action!

(Thar's some terrific talent in these here parts! :thumb:)

Thank you, sir. You are too kind. (But we have been doin' it for quite a few years. That counts for something.)


Originally Posted by auchencrow (Post 12551011)
PS - Have you noticed how well loved every pre-war L-00 seems to be? (There's a reason for that!)

I know little about L-00s but I do know a bit about the dreadnaughts. The pre-war guitars used Adirondack spruce for the top. It was essentially a local wood source for Martin. In 1945 (I think it was) NY state declared the Adirondack region a park with the designation "Forever wild". That made harvesting timber illegal. With little fanfare Martin looked around for some other wood and settled on Sitka spruce from Alaska. It makes a good guitar but it doesn't ring like Adirondack spruce. Another difference is that Brazillian rosewood is an endangered species. Indian rosewood is good but it sounds different. Limited stocks of both Brazilian and Adirondack wood can be found occasionally, for example from blown-down trees due to storms or hidden away in some storage house. However there is no large supply of either. So the sound of those old guitars is hard to re-create in great numbers.

auchencrow 04-24-11 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by jimmuller (Post 12551394)
...... I do know a bit about the dreadnaughts. The pre-war guitars used Adirondack spruce for the top. It was essentially a local wood source for Martin. In 1945 (I think it was) NY state declared the Adirondack region a park with the designation "Forever wild". That made harvesting timber illegal. With little fanfare Martin looked around for some other wood and settled on Sitka spruce from Alaska. It makes a good guitar but it doesn't ring like Adirondack spruce. Another difference is that Brazillian rosewood is an endangered species. Indian rosewood is good but it sounds different. Limited stocks of both Brazilian and Adirondack wood can be found occasionally, for example from blown-down trees due to storms or hidden away in some storage house. However there is no large supply of either. So the sound of those old guitars is hard to re-create in great numbers.

All true Jim, but I would venture that some of the guitars being made today are the equivalent of any Pre-war issue. (Your Collings is one such example).
Since the late 80's, there has been a second Golden age of Lutherie - with a number of individuals and small shops producing some truly great product: Dana Bourgeois, Bill Collings, James Goodall, and Richard Hoover being among the most well known, but many others (including our own David Newton) are building guitars in the same tradition - and sometimes even with the same methods, as the pre-war greats. This has raised the bar for the big companies too - so Martin, Gibson et al, are turning out terrific new instruments too, which (if we are all around 60 or 70 years from now) we may find will surpass the tonal quality of their 1930's efforts.

mkeller234 04-24-11 11:24 PM

Oh, I have GOT to take a picture of my crappy old Teisco Tulip! Are Teiscos the UO8 of vintage guitars? Or maybe they are the Huffy and Murrays?

coz52 04-25-11 01:25 AM

'63 Strat http://s901.photobucket.com/albums/a...TMC_6298-1.jpg

20grit 04-25-11 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by auchencrow (Post 12551537)
All true Jim, but I would venture that some of the guitars being made today are the equivalent of any Pre-war issue. (Your Collings is one such example).
Since the late 80's, there has been a second Golden age of Lutherie - with a number of individuals and small shops producing some truly great product: Dana Bourgeois, Bill Collings, James Goodall, and Richard Hoover being among the most well known, but many others (including our own David Newton) are building guitars in the same tradition - and sometimes even with the same methods, as the pre-war greats. This has raised the bar for the big companies too - so Martin, Gibson et al, are turning out terrific new instruments too, which (if we are all around 60 or 70 years from now) we may find will surpass the tonal quality of their 1930's efforts.

Add to that list, Wayne Henderson. The D-18 looking guitar in my pic is my first one from him. I just got my second one couple weeks ago. Though it's a bit more personalized. It's made from wild cherry from my family's farm, has inlay from my family crest, peghead and heel carvings done by the guy who taught me guitar and some other random things. I've seen a lot of guitars coming from local luthiers that surpass anything i've heard out of a pre-war guitar.

ColonelJLloyd 04-25-11 08:12 AM

Auchen, the National and F-4 are killer! Those are valuable pieces, man!

And, Lugnut, that cherry 330 is my style!

Here's a cell phone pic of the axes we used last time we recorded. I wish all of them were mine.

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/1...12858955070001

Zaphod Beeblebrox 04-25-11 08:17 AM

^^this guy....what a show off :lol:

I know I've said it before but I freakin love those Bigsby Tremolos

ColonelJLloyd 04-25-11 08:20 AM

I'm going to correct you because I'm that guy. They're actually vibratos; not tremolos. ;) Here's an explanation. But, yeah I agree. Bigsbys rule.

20grit 04-25-11 08:23 AM

Bigsbys are by far my favorite. I spent quite some time trying to get my hands on the perfect B-12 for the red guitar I built in the pic above. I've never had an issue with them going out of tune, they work incredibly well, look hot, so what's not to like?

ColonelJLloyd 04-25-11 08:25 AM

I love the B-12 cutout. I installed a gold one from the 70s with a Chet Atkins arm on my Epi Sheraton II. I much prefer the models with stabilizer bars.

Ultraslide 04-25-11 08:28 AM

That blue Epi is hawt!

ColonelJLloyd 04-25-11 08:29 AM

^ Thanks! I love it. I installed the Bigsby, TV Jones and SD pickups and all new guts. My wife bought it for me when she was just my girlfriend. If you want to snag a husband buy the guy guitars. She also bought me that sweet strap. She's a keeper for sure.

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/1...13037424220001

1 Lugnut 04-25-11 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd (Post 12552543)
And, Lugnut, that cherry 330 is my style!

ColonelLloyd.....it's a beast & def my fave of all my guits!
Luv you Avatar, Anson is tops...
C&V is starting to look like The Gear Page!

la traviata 04-25-11 08:59 AM

Had to say that version of friend of steel was fantastic. I'm a guitar player who turned to the fiddle, if I get I chance to steal my gf's digital camera I'll post her, the fiddle that is.

auchencrow 04-25-11 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by coz52 (Post 12551898)

That's a pretty nice hunk of Alder you have there, coz ! :love:
http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/a...TMC_6298-1.jpg


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