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Old 05-03-11, 07:26 PM
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help with 531 decal

my '74 raleigh pro track's 531 sticker has worn off:



the '74 catalog pic shows the slanting "531" sticker:


so I ordered one from ebay. It is too small. The sticker residue on my bike measures
39mm wide x 34mm high. The ebay replacement sticker is 37mm wide x 22mm tall. The "gold band" 531 sticker found on later bikes is 34mm tall, but 45mm wide, at least the one on my '79 raleigh team is. Did the slanting 531 stickers come in different sizes? Should I just slap my smaller one on and forget about it?
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I was hoping someone could enlighten us both on over sized Reynold's stickers, but for the time being at least, I recommend that you install the normal one. You can always remove it later if you happen upon the taller label.

PS_ Have any more pictures?
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The ones I got to replace the decals on my '73 RRA measure:

Cyclomundo (ebay, Greg): 38.5mm x 23mm
HLloyd Cycles: 39mm x 28mm

Quite a difference. This bike should have had the same decal as your Pro would have (I think). 531 at an angle, full frame, stays, fork. I already replaced it with the HLloyd one currently, but seemed to sense that the size was slightly different (from what was left of the original).



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Wot the 'ell?

If they're making custom decals, why not at least make them the right size??!
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Reynolds stickers are known to shrink with age. Just saying.
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There was more than one style with gold bands. From around 1973 through 1976 the wording in the gold bands stated:

manufactured by
REYNOLDS TUBE CO. LTD
Birmingham, England

This one measured around 34mm high and 35mm to 38mm wide... some factory original decal printings varied slightly in width judging from examples on some of my own bikes. And, you can also usually expect some glue residue would slop over on the old waterslide decals as they gradually began to separate and deteriorate over time, so I would not be too concerned about precisely matching the old lines. I suspect this would be the one you need.

This is the French version, but I'm sure Greg also has the English one as well (maybe he's just out of them right now).



After around 1977, Reynolds changed the wording and within the gold bands to reflect the new corporate name and also added the circular "TI Reynolds" logo. That is lkely what is on your 1979 bike. This is what that later style looks like:

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Originally Posted by norskagent
Should I just slap my smaller one on and forget about it?
if it describes the tubing your bike is made from, and it won't bother you, then you could just forget about it

or if you think it will nag at you forever, search out the right size one
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Had a similar experience replacing the 531 decal on my Trek....got decals from several sources, all of which were differently sized from each other, all *larger* than the original (which was mostly still there but cracked). When speaking with the vendors, it seems the original decals were of differing sizes depending on the printing run.

If you are completely into originality, you will also find the green colouring varies with vendor as well, and again none matched the original. All close but visibly different.

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It appears, based on Stronglight's post, and the '74 catalog pic, that my decal could be either gold banded or not. I guess I would rather have that detail correct more so than the exact size. The one I bought is non gold-banded as per the catalog.
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Your best bet is
https://www.hlloydcycles.com/
They have nos Reynolds decals in stock filed by year and period,
but the fakes are more durable.

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HLloyd didn't offer (or mention) NOS decals when I got mine from them, and I went through several emails with them before ordering? From looking at the 1974 Raleigh catalog, they didn't seem to be using the gold banded decal yet (though Raleigh and other manufacturers of the time seem to have a history of using whatever they had on hand).

These should be the correct ones from Cyclomundo (Greg) on ebay, and are what I provided measurements for:
https://cgi.ebay.com/Reynolds-531-196...item45f9df8229

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^ that's what I have, and I guess will go on the bike tonight!
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I have a couple of fully DB 531 '74 Raleighs (Super Tourer and International). I'll take some measurements/pics later today to show what the 531 stickers look like.

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The Cyclemondo decals are incorrect in both overall size and font type.

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Reproduction decal art is typically made from photographs and its difficult to precisely match to the originals on a round tubed bike. Heck, the originals were probably made at different times and different batches by different suppliers and may vary in size and color too. Lettering was many times drawn by hand, not set in type.

I'd use some solvent (or Goof Off) to clean the remains of the old and add the new.

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The Cyclemondo decals are incorrect in both overall size and font type.

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Probably, as outlined above. Still nice they're available if you ask me!
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Have you tried these guys? https://www.hlloydcycles.com/
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Not much of a help but here is what the position and look of the original 531 sticker on my 60's Gitane looks like hope it seems helpfull it looks like the ones you bought.
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FYI, I'm tempted to say that decal might have been the 531 "stars" variant, often associated with the Schwinn Paramount. Raleigh was known to use it:



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Here's the only pic I have right now since I applied the "wrong" sized 531 decal, to be honest I had forgotten about worrying about it, and this thread!
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Odd that this thread was revived today. This morning I wondered about replacement 531 stickers because I saw a bike that was advertised as 531, but no matter how much time/effort I put into researching this bike, I could not find one reference to this particular brand/model ever having 531. Though there definitely was a sticker on the frame. Knowing that these stickers are out there just gives me another level of discomfort when looking at potential buys.
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Originally Posted by norskagent
Here's the only pic I have right now since I applied the "wrong" sized 531 decal, to be honest I had forgotten about worrying about it, and this thread!
oh sure. put up this interesting dilemma in minutiae and then leave us here wrasslin' among ourselves. heh.
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Originally Posted by Miyata110
Knowing that these stickers are out there just gives me another level of discomfort when looking at potential buys.
I've yet to see a repop which accurately represents the ink bleed of the originals.

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It must be hard to reproduce that pale green of the originals of a certain era. Still, in this day and age somebody should be able to do it.
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Originally Posted by cudak888
FYI, I'm tempted to say that decal might have been the 531 "stars" variant, often associated with the Schwinn Paramount. Raleigh was known to use it:



-Kurt
Yes, both Schwinn and Raleigh used the 'stars' decal. Schwinn was the one that insisted Reynolds create it, as the earlier ones (they felt) were implying that the stays and fork bades were butted, when only the frame tubes actually were.... Those darn Schwinn Engineers were a picky lot (in a good way, think quality of prep. for chrome plating, for example...).
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Originally Posted by cudak888
I've yet to see a repop which accurately represents the ink bleed of the originals.

-Kurt

As Kurt is suggesting, it's generally easy to spot repro. 531 decals. First of all, the originals (which were mostly 'dry fix' not water-slide), if still present and pre-1980 or so, are going to be rather deteriorated by now, as they are over the paint, not under any clearcoat, and eventually disintegrate. Secondly, the repop ones just don't look right, for multiple reasons ('too perfect' is a big one), and are generally on vinyl, so are a very different 'look.'
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