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Old 06-20-18, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mountaindave View Post
I’ve never heard of an ishiwata death fork. Viscount, yes, but not steel Ishiwata forks.
There have been a few threads about it. I linked to a post in one of them that pretty much sums up how dangerous I think they are. The relevant data is that a few of the Ishiwata-made forks on some early 80's cracked at the fork crown. Many people report having no problems. I think somewhere John Thompson posted a plausible explanation of what the vulnerability was, but all I remember is that it didn't really worry me much. I have a vague intention to check my fork crown for cracks once in a while. I've even done it once.
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There have been a few threads about it. I linked to a post in one of them that pretty much sums up how dangerous I think they are. The relevant data is that a few of the Ishiwata-made forks on some early 80's cracked at the fork crown. Many people report having no problems. I think somewhere John Thompson posted a plausible explanation of what the vulnerability was, but all I remember is that it didn't really worry me much. I have a vague intention to check my fork crown for cracks once in a while. I've even done it once.
I read through one of those after posting. Some people have had bottom brackets crack, seat stays come loose, dropouts split... poop happens. Seems like much ado about nothing.
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I read through one of those after posting. Some people have had bottom brackets crack, seat stays come loose, dropouts split... poop happens. Seems like much ado about nothing.
Yeah, pretty much, but it's a fun name so I keep using it.
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Old 06-21-18, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mountaindave View Post
I read through one of those after posting. Some people have had bottom brackets crack, seat stays come loose, dropouts split... poop happens. Seems like much ado about nothing.
While I do believe poop happens- there's just a much higher incidence of poop with those Ishiwata fork crowns.

I believe it to be "one of those things to look for" when you clean up the bike, not something to hysterically remove from the bike and replace. As is often said, steel is forgiving- it cracks, it starts to split and then it fails. The cracks are evident before the failure.

And "Ishiwata Death Fork" is an awesome band name.
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The latest incarnation of my '82 614, now well on it's way to becoming a proper randonnuering bike.







It could use some mid-fork braze-ons (if I dare tamper with an "Ishiwata death fork" :O) and another set of bottle bosses -- maybe in the fall. For now, it makes a fine commuter.

That's looking really nice- Modern and "Classic" all together.
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here's my recent $10 purchase with some mods,
it's an 81' 610, made singular, rides great!
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here's my recent $10 purchase with some mods,
it's an 81' 610, made singular, rides great!
What?! Aren't you afraid you'll get arrested for stealing?
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ha, quite a find right mountaindave?
the picture doesn't quite show the true condition, the stays are very corroded, like it was left outside for 30 years,
but the frame is straight and there are no dents! surprised how light it is too, probably just over 20lbs as is
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Speaking of being arrested for stealing, this one was a curb-find. 1981 750. SN 002345.
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Speaking of being arrested for stealing, this one was a curb-find. 1981 750. SN 002345.
The frame or the bike as pictured?
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I've got a couple of nice, older Treks.

First up is my 1980 Trek 414. I bought this bike new from a local dealer and it's mostly stock. The things that have changed over the years are stuff you might expect--tires, tubes, brake pads and hoods, and bar tape. I also changed the saddle out for a somewhat nicer period-correct saddle and I've been through two rear rims, but both of the original model. The dealer I got this from would let you substitute parts when ordering a Trek, thus the Cyclone derailleurs and Superbe brakes. I may have also changed out the clips and straps, but the pedals are original. It was my first step up from a 70's Schwinn Continental and I'm very fond of this bike.



Next up is a 1988 Trek 660 that I got as a bare frame. I had the frame powder coated and built it up with roughly period-correct Dura Ace components--derailleurs, hubs, crank set, seat post, brakes and levers. The rims are Matrix and I'm currently running Tufo tubular tires. The bars and stem are off of a Specialized Sequoia. I got the decals from Velocals. The seat isn't a period piece, but I think it looks nice on this bike. It's geared way too high to be a daily rider, but it's fun to take out now and then and ride a real racing bike.

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Speaking of being arrested for stealing, this one was a curb-find. 1981 750. SN 002345.
The wait was worth it.
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Originally Posted by mountaindave View Post
The frame or the bike as pictured?
The bike, but I’ve made a few changes during the rebuild.
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Here's my 710 build.
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The bike, but I’ve made a few changes during the rebuild.
Are you telling us you found NR components on a curb-find? I want to visit that neighborhood!
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Speaking of being arrested for stealing, this one was a curb-find. 1981 750. SN 002345.
Where was that picture taken? It looks familiar to me, but I can't place it.
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Where was that picture taken? It looks familiar to me, but I can't place it.
Frog Pond, Boston Common
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Are you telling us you found NR components on a curb-find? I want to visit that neighborhood!
The rear derailer as found was a Suntour Superbe Tech. The previous owner had rigged the bottom bracket with some silicone to route the cable underneath to accommodate the weird front pull design on that RD. I picked up the NR on eBay to replace it and routed the cable the proper way.
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Frog Pond, Boston Common
Thanks. I travel for work and have spent a lot of time in Boston over the years.
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here's my 710 build.
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Updated 1988 560

Sometimes I wish my much newer iPhone could always remember that it is good at taking pictures. Sigh. So we go with Photoshop, even if the light level was actually quite good...

The groupset, fitment, and aesthetic stars have aligned. Finally! Full 7800 Dura-Ace with a stem conversion and an FSA K-Force carbon seatpost. White for the saddle and bar tape. Comfortable, fast, enthusiastically stable when moving, and very good at climbing and accelerating in and out of the saddle.

The 7800 bits and wheels used to be on my '16 Emonda ALR, but the front end was getting to be a little stiff. The Emonda is a whopping four pounds lighter than this (ok, maybe 3.25-3.5 lb...I'll have to check) and climbs like no one's business. This 560 is immediately more comfortable and smoother. It's always been smooth and a good climber, but with 62mm of trail and a 73° head tube angle, the front end setup needs to be spot on to avoid wheel flop or pig-like slow steering.

I was 'supposed' to sell this to reduce my fleet, and tried for a while before timing and a rethink (needed cheaper parts on it to sell it) gave birth to the allowance of parts scavenging for other builds (like my brother's bike, soon to be...) and then the eventual 'one more chance' build to see if it was really as wonderful as I initially thought it was. I love the teal color and the size, and the freight train linearity in its at-speed mannerisms (tested throughout several groupsets). It looked great with 2x8 Campagnolo (before I put that on an old Cannondale and sold it). Now we have an absolute winner, and one with lots of character. Rode it to Bike Works today. Great time!


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Got a two-fer to show today.

#1: '83 Trek 620

Running 650B wheels, this was formerly my commuter, but I got the itch to strip it down of fenders and the porteur rack and go with a Rando-lite build for hot summer days where the need for fenders and lighting is overkill. It's a real joy to ride. I'd like to sort out a Brooks pro saddle (as with my other bikes), but the budget is tight with a move, marriage, and honeymoon coming up in September. Need to swap out the 40t small ring for a 30t I have laying around.

#2: Mid-80's Trek 870

Picked this up off the iBob list from a member who found it in disrepair but gave it some attention and a really nice powdercoat - sparkles like the original Imron. Built it up as a nice townie-bike for errand-running and beer runs. Dynamo lighting and fenders makes it weather and time agnostic. Really fun to ride. Feels like I'm about 11 years old again.
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