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Old 05-20-11, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
I just measured the sear tube at 66 degrees with my builder's square. (My Moto Gr Jubile measured 73, so I think I am measuring reasonably accurately.)
66 degrees - that's one degree off from the 65 degrees I expected. Definitely not a Special Club Sports.

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Given that ST angle and the weight, I'm thinking it's one of the many Sports variants shown in the '39 Raleigh catalog on RetroRaleighs. Those lightweights from that era were purported (according to the catalog) to weigh around 21 lbs as originally outfitted (and have 71 degree parallel angles).

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Yeah, mine was about 21 or 22 pounds.
Here's the best pictures I have of the saddle. It was a Terry, made of that painted canvass looking vinyl stuff but it was cut like a B-15 or B-17.

Wish I'd taken a few more.
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Originally Posted by nlerner
Given that ST angle and the weight, I'm thinking it's one of the many Sports variants shown in the '39 Raleigh catalog on RetroRaleighs. Those lightweights from that era were purported (according to the catalog) to weigh around 21 lbs as originally outfitted (and have 71 degree parallel angles).

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I can tell you for certain that the angle on this bike (whatever model it may be) is much much closer to 65 than it is to 71 degrees.

I will start on tearing it down soon, so I'll re-weigh it then after I remove all the added accoutrements, and add a couple of sprint wheels: It MAY come in close to that weight (I did take the front wheel to weigh it and it weighs over 8lbs all by itself).
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On the chain guard, I have seen that style chain guard on several Birmingham made bikes (Hercules, Armstrong, Sunbeam, Sun, I'm not sure what else) as well as Normans. I can't remember whether I've seen it on Phillipses, but I suspect they used the same one as well. My Norman has a similar one but with a slightly different cut at the chain ring (see below). I believe the chain guard was made by one of the Birmingham manufacturers (Phillips or Hercules) and sold to the others.



Auchen, why don't you do a side by side comparison of chain guards on your Armstrong and this Raleigh. I suspect you'll find they're the same. If so, then Kurt has pretty well nailed it.

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Comparing Auchen's black Raleigh with a known Golden Arrow, i.e. Carl's:


Carl's Golden Arrow has the same rear dropouts and, as far as I can tell, the same lugs, same fork (but painted), and so on. From the photos posted so far, I have not been able to identify a single frame difference between Carl's and Auchen's.

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rhm -

It appears that the chain guard on my '51 Armstrong is similar but not the same- here is a view from the build up;



Notice how the guard has some relief above the crank on the Armstrong? - None on the Hercules guard below.

Also, the Armstrong has a step in the top section which is lacking in the other.

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Mine:


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Originally Posted by nlerner
Given that ST angle and the weight, I'm thinking it's one of the many Sports variants shown in the '39 Raleigh catalog on RetroRaleighs. Those lightweights from that era were purported (according to the catalog) to weigh around 21 lbs as originally outfitted (and have 71 degree parallel angles).
71 degree angles negates it as a traditional Sports variant, and doesn't explain the quick release fender mounts.

There should be no difference in most of the Raleigh dropouts of this era. Even the racing models used the same drops, complete with what's essentially an extra fender eyelet, considering the quick-release tabs.

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You guys blow my mind. I think I am going to set the 'Arrow aside for a week or so. To focus on my Cannondale. I have Paul MotoBMX brakes coming not soon enough. I will get more pics up tomorrow, including the requested, of the chainring. Let me know if you guys want pictures of anything in particular. The method ftwelder used on his GA, will work very well with the Cannondale, which has bad chips. You guys rule!
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Hey ya'll, Here's pics of the GAs chainring

https://www.flickr.com/photos/carl_br...n/photostream/
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Thanks!

Interesting that you don't have the removable chain ring that Auchen's has.

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I am looking for a winter project... a Raleigh Golden Arrow... any know of one for sale? littlevince@verizon.net
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