Peugeot HLE Fan Club
01-16-10, 07:43 PM
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Peugeot HLE Fan Club
Are there any other fans of HLE framed Peugeots out there?
If there are, then let us hear from you.
Mine is an 87 Peugeot P4-Corbier, positioned right at the bottom rung of Peugeot’s road bikes for that year, and it’s constructed from HLE steel, or “Haute Limite Elastique”, which translates to “high limit of elasticity”. The P6, P8 and PH10 were also constructed from HLE that year.
At the moment, I have 9 other road bikes that are either Columbus or Reynolds 531, but I still think my internally brazed P4 with HLE is pretty good stuff: With its original cotterless cranks, Huret DRs, aftermarket Nitto drops, Pasella TG's and alloy hoops, it weighs in at under 26lbs, and IMHO, it feels lighter than that: It is a very nimble bike.
FYI, the 87 Peugeot catalog (https://cyclespeugeot.com/PDFs/1987pdf.pdf) states the following about HLE steel:
“HLE is Peugeot’s exclusive alloy tubing. It is a “micro alloyed steel” which is composed of Manganese, Nobelium, Aluminum, Carbon and Titanium, which offers a lighter, yet stronger frame. These4 elements are commonly used in the manufacture of aeronautical steel. The introduction of these elements results in a steel with dramatically improved mechanical properties when compared to conventional steel.
The strength to weight ratio of HLE steel is superior to that of conventional tubing. Using this tubing enables Peugeot to save more than 7 ounces in the weight of the frame. The HLE tubing, when used with our patented internal brazing system, gives Peugeot a frame which is at the top of its class in performance and reliability.”
If there are, then let us hear from you.
Mine is an 87 Peugeot P4-Corbier, positioned right at the bottom rung of Peugeot’s road bikes for that year, and it’s constructed from HLE steel, or “Haute Limite Elastique”, which translates to “high limit of elasticity”. The P6, P8 and PH10 were also constructed from HLE that year.
At the moment, I have 9 other road bikes that are either Columbus or Reynolds 531, but I still think my internally brazed P4 with HLE is pretty good stuff: With its original cotterless cranks, Huret DRs, aftermarket Nitto drops, Pasella TG's and alloy hoops, it weighs in at under 26lbs, and IMHO, it feels lighter than that: It is a very nimble bike.
FYI, the 87 Peugeot catalog (https://cyclespeugeot.com/PDFs/1987pdf.pdf) states the following about HLE steel:
“HLE is Peugeot’s exclusive alloy tubing. It is a “micro alloyed steel” which is composed of Manganese, Nobelium, Aluminum, Carbon and Titanium, which offers a lighter, yet stronger frame. These4 elements are commonly used in the manufacture of aeronautical steel. The introduction of these elements results in a steel with dramatically improved mechanical properties when compared to conventional steel.
The strength to weight ratio of HLE steel is superior to that of conventional tubing. Using this tubing enables Peugeot to save more than 7 ounces in the weight of the frame. The HLE tubing, when used with our patented internal brazing system, gives Peugeot a frame which is at the top of its class in performance and reliability.”
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I don't know enough about metallurgy to rate HLE versus other alloy steels, but in terms of the bikes that Peugeot decided to build with this material and the absence of any bad press that I've come across, I'd say it is an appropriate material for the low-mid range bikes that Peugeot built with it. I am a fan of my 1989 Peugeot Versailles (built with HLE) which is low-rung enough that I can use it for daily commuting without guilt, but has the speed and ride quality to make my 28 mile round trip something to look forward to every day.
01-17-10, 07:06 PM
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I used to have an '88 Versailles and it was a really good bike. HLE is good stuff. Now I kind of wish I hadn't sold it.
01-17-10, 08:28 PM
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Seven ounces of frame weight saved over conventional tubing doesn't sound like much. I've never ridden a Peugeot with HLE tubing because I'm stuck in the seventies.
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Imagine my surprise at finding this thread after just buying this 1985 PH10LE at a thrift shop! I've almost completed restoring it. Didn't need much, it was a multi-year garage hanger and still had the original Michelin tires.
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It's apparent that you're a newbie: This bike is FAR from complete ! - You still need a wheel, crank, pedals, saddle and handle bars! - and you'll need these things, if you intend to ride it.
PS - Welcome to C&V, where you can always rely on getting expert advice, and congrats on your Thrift store find! It looks to be in fine condition.
PS - Welcome to C&V, where you can always rely on getting expert advice, and congrats on your Thrift store find! It looks to be in fine condition.
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It's apparent that you're a newbie: This bike is FAR from complete ! - You still need a wheel, crank, pedals, saddle and handle bars! - and you'll need these things, if you intend to ride it.
PS - Welcome to C&V, where you can always rely on getting expert advice, and congrats on your Thrift store find! It looks to be in fine condition.
PS - Welcome to C&V, where you can always rely on getting expert advice, and congrats on your Thrift store find! It looks to be in fine condition.
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That looks like michelin Bibsport TS20 with the familiar white "skin" sidewalls They were very nice looking tires but were not the toughest tires out there. The sidewall threads tend to break and fray prematurely. I would consider not using that tire anymore and just keep it as a nice souvenier. Get some new tires for the bike that will ride better and safer.
Good luck on the restoration. The PH10 makes for a nice soloid foundation to come up with a fast beautiful bike....I know I had one and it was a blast to ride and mod up!
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Good luck on the restoration. The PH10 makes for a nice soloid foundation to come up with a fast beautiful bike....I know I had one and it was a blast to ride and mod up!
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I finished the PH10LE, I think it came out nice. The "rainbow" decals were cracking off pretty bad, so I took them off with some carb cleaner. It rides real nice, too. I plan on changing the tires, thanks for the heads up, Chombi.
01-23-10, 06:20 PM
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It's more than nice - It's beautiful Shp4man!
PS - When you swap out the tires you ought to look at the PanaRacer Pasella gumwall tires. The ride like a dream, are not expensive, and look the part.
PS - When you swap out the tires you ought to look at the PanaRacer Pasella gumwall tires. The ride like a dream, are not expensive, and look the part.
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Fantastic Job Shp4man!!
Beautiful results!!
Sure proves how these PH10s takes well to mods as I had experienced with my 83. That bike will surely attract a lot of attention everywhere it goes now with it's very clean lines and minty fresh condition. The all black theme that goes all the way through the bars and saddle also adds a touch of class to it!
Tell us how it rides when you get the new tires!
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Beautiful results!!
Sure proves how these PH10s takes well to mods as I had experienced with my 83. That bike will surely attract a lot of attention everywhere it goes now with it's very clean lines and minty fresh condition. The all black theme that goes all the way through the bars and saddle also adds a touch of class to it!
Tell us how it rides when you get the new tires!
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01-25-10, 08:03 PM
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I have a black PH10LE as well. It seems to spend time as both a rider, and a donor bike. Right now it has the wheels that usually go on my
Club Fuji, original shifters, Cyclone M-II derailleurs, etc. I never find it disappointing to ride, and I really like it actually.,,,,BD
I don't have a current pic. I will try to get one this weekend, as I am working until dark every day this week.,,,,BD
Club Fuji, original shifters, Cyclone M-II derailleurs, etc. I never find it disappointing to ride, and I really like it actually.,,,,BD
I don't have a current pic. I will try to get one this weekend, as I am working until dark every day this week.,,,,BD
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01-25-10, 09:00 PM
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Will do. Natural light works best, so it will probably be this weekend. Has red housing and 105 aero levers, kind of a Frankenstein.
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I'd like to see it too, Bikedued. I put 30 miles on this bike this weekend at found it to be a surprisingly good rider. 
Well worth a set of decent tires.
Well worth a set of decent tires.
01-29-10, 08:49 PM
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Found a pic I took in the current configuration. The wheels have changed to something else without a dork disc.,,,,BD
I may try to go back closer to original, with white wrap, and see through housing. Someday... The Cyclone stays though.
.,,,,BDI may try to go back closer to original, with white wrap, and see through housing. Someday... The Cyclone stays though.
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That is a fine looking bike, BD - the Cyclone needs to stay.
I also agree with the see-through housing, but if you stay with blackwalls, I would keep the black wrap.
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I also agree with the see-through housing, but if you stay with blackwalls, I would keep the black wrap.
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Not sure if I am a HLE fan yet, as I don't have enough seat time in these bikes. I will soon though.
The serial number sticker is gone from this bike, but according to Miami Jim's Peugeot site, it is probably an 83 PH10S. It needs to be cleaned up a little and tuned, but it is in very good condition.
This is a 85 or 86(I'm thinking 86 due to 2 bottle mounts instead of one?) PH10LE. It looks like it has fairly low miles, but was probably neglected and left outside some.
The serial number sticker is gone from this bike, but according to Miami Jim's Peugeot site, it is probably an 83 PH10S. It needs to be cleaned up a little and tuned, but it is in very good condition.
This is a 85 or 86(I'm thinking 86 due to 2 bottle mounts instead of one?) PH10LE. It looks like it has fairly low miles, but was probably neglected and left outside some.
09-05-10, 07:20 PM
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I am seeing that rainbow model loaded with 600 goodies. The nutted brake mounts are about the only major drawback to hotrodding a PH10. I hope you don't need that much post because there not much left of it in the frame, personal experience talking here. It's a 25.4 and replacements
are almost impossible to find unless you want a suspension post, hehe. NICE find, they ride great!,,,,BD
are almost impossible to find unless you want a suspension post, hehe. NICE find, they ride great!,,,,BD
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I don't know enough about metallurgy to rate HLE versus other alloy steels, but in terms of the bikes that Peugeot decided to build with this material and the absence of any bad press that I've come across, I'd say it is an appropriate material for the low-mid range bikes that Peugeot built with it. I am a fan of my 1989 Peugeot Versailles (built with HLE) which is low-rung enough that I can use it for daily commuting without guilt, but has the speed and ride quality to make my 28 mile round trip something to look forward to every day.
I think there will be an HLE in my future some time. My UO-8 (which I think is a fine cheep ride, almost a rando-cheepo) shows me what they could do in the '50s (seems the frame design dates back at least to the mid-50s), and the PX-10 showed how they could deliver a world-class stage-racing bike for way less $$ than some others in the '60s.
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Hi RogerM - If your 1st bike there is an 83 PH10"s" ( and I think it is ) then it is Carbolite and not HLE. Even so I think you will find that your bike is a nice ride and you will love it too.
Check out the 83 Catalog below.
https://cyclespeugeot.com/PDFs/1983pdf.pdf
Your 86 PH10"LE" is HLE though.
They are both lovely bikes.
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Check out the 83 Catalog below.
https://cyclespeugeot.com/PDFs/1983pdf.pdf
Your 86 PH10"LE" is HLE though.
They are both lovely bikes.
Regards,
Not sure if I am a HLE fan yet, as I don't have enough seat time in these bikes. I will soon though.
The serial number sticker is gone from this bike, but according to Miami Jim's Peugeot site, it is probably an 83 PH10S. It needs to be cleaned up a little and tuned, but it is in very good condition.
This is a 85 or 86(I'm thinking 86 due to 2 bottle mounts instead of one?) PH10LE. It looks like it has fairly low miles, but was probably neglected and left outside some.
The serial number sticker is gone from this bike, but according to Miami Jim's Peugeot site, it is probably an 83 PH10S. It needs to be cleaned up a little and tuned, but it is in very good condition.
This is a 85 or 86(I'm thinking 86 due to 2 bottle mounts instead of one?) PH10LE. It looks like it has fairly low miles, but was probably neglected and left outside some.
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Hi RogerM - If your 1st bike there is an 83 PH10"s" ( and I think it is ) then it is Carbolite and not HLE. Even so I think you will find that your bike is a nice ride and you will love it too.
Check out the 83 Catalog below.
https://cyclespeugeot.com/PDFs/1983pdf.pdf
Your 86 PH10"LE" is HLE though.
They are both lovely bikes.
Regards,
Check out the 83 Catalog below.
https://cyclespeugeot.com/PDFs/1983pdf.pdf
Your 86 PH10"LE" is HLE though.
They are both lovely bikes.
Regards,
Oops.. my mistake. I was pretty elated over the PH10LE find, that I didn't pay attention when I went to post in the thread. Thanks for the correction. Unfortunately, the PH10 s is too small for me. I think it is a 57(23").
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G'day all fellow Peugeot connoisseurs, here are a few pics of my newly renovated 1989 Peugeot PE10DW Aubisque. It is running a Shimano Exage Action groupset - 6 x 2. It seems that most (if not all) Australian distributed Peugeots - post mid-1980s - ran Shimano groupsets, etc..
It rides very smoothly - however, is no comparison to my 2002 Norco RD-2 (Ultegra).
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It rides very smoothly - however, is no comparison to my 2002 Norco RD-2 (Ultegra).
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