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Originally Posted by gaucho777 View Post
Tell me more about the RD. Looks like a Chorus, which I believe Kurt says it is, but I don't believe I've seen one with the openings to the jockey wheels before. Is that a later generation Chorus RD? For comparison:

Record 8-Speed, could be first generation if it has the sculpted NR/SR type inner cage plated (or some consider it 3rd generation C-Record). I sold one for a tidy sum recently. Here's another, but I think it's a later generation and has been mislabeled, unless the design was changed mid-year.

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In defense of the poor Nuovo Strada. Though I would not really call it vintage ('85 w/modern Campy Record 10...though it does have one dt shifter), here's mine and I like it:

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In defense of the poor Nuovo Strada. Though I would not really call it vintage ('85 w/modern Campy Record 10...though it does have one dt shifter), here's mine and I like it:

I wouldn't call a lot of the vintage bikes here classic, and this certainly is.
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[QUOTE=JunkYardBike;12746375]Record 8-Speed, could be first generation if it has the sculpted NR/SR type inner cage plated (or some consider it 3rd generation C-Record). I sold one for a tidy sum recently. Here's another, but I think it's a later generation and has been mislabeled, unless the design was changed mid-year.

Mine:





This one looks like what's on Kurt's bike.

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You know, I did some browsing on ebay and I can't really tell the difference between Record and Chorus from the early 8-speed era (before the model names were screened on). The Records do sell for more though!

However, I'm 99.9% sure mine is Record, as it came on a bike fully equipped with Record components, including Delta brakes.

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Originally Posted by gaucho777 View Post
Tell me more about the RD. Looks like a Chorus, which I believe Kurt says it is, but I don't believe I've seen one with the openings to the jockey wheels before. Is that a later generation Chorus RD? For comparison:
The Chorus you show there is a Syncros-era model; mine is an Ergo-compatible RD.

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Record 8-Speed, could be first generation if it has the sculpted NR/SR type inner cage plated (or some consider it 3rd generation C-Record). I sold one for a tidy sum recently. Here's another, but I think it's a later generation and has been mislabeled, unless the design was changed mid-year.
First-gen Records (post-C-Record era) have the SR inner plate and the rebuildable lower pivot, and were casually added to the Record group a year or two before the Ergos came out. This same RD was shared by Chorus in 1992, with a similar variant used by Athena (with a partially closed outer pulley cage). By 1993, all groups adapted the second-gen design without an exposed lower pivot bolt.

That said, the Ergo levers themselves were shared between all three groups until 1993.

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So the question running through my mind for 50 posts:
I considered it, but it needs quite a bit of work beforehand. I've also toyed with the idea of dumping the '70 P13.

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However, I'm 99.9% sure mine is Record, as it came on a bike fully equipped with Record components, including Delta brakes.
Ergo or downtube? To be absolutely catalog-correct, the first-gen Ergo Record RD was never actually paired with Ergo levers (though I'm sure some late 1991 bikes came as such).

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
I've yet to find the 1991 Campagnolo catalog, which would indicate whether the first year of Record Ergo used the exposed lower pivot or not.
http://www.campyonly.com/images/cata...1/91record.jpg
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Already went through them and revised my post accordingly. Don't know why I didn't have the '90 or the '91 stored on the hard drive yet.

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Ergo or downtube? To be absolutely catalog-correct, the first-gen Ergo Record RD was never actually paired with Ergo levers (though I'm sure some late 1991 bikes came as such).
Mine came with the last generation Syncros, as pictured in the '91 catalog linked above.
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Originally Posted by JunkYardBike View Post
Mine came with the last generation Syncros, as pictured in the '91 catalog linked above.
That adds up.

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It always amazes me how easily the Nuova Strada's are dismissed yet people go crazy over mid 80's miyata's, Centurian, ital-vega's and bianchi's. Just because it says Masi and Masi didn't design it? That doesn't make it unworthy.

The Nuova Strada is a great example of a workmanlike Italian race bike. That in of itself, to me, makes it special. They were built by small frame builders in small batches for a price but they are still built in Italy with Italian tubing and know how. then they were painted in the US with the same quality paint as the GC. That paint seems to hold up better than most Italian and a lot of the Japanese bikes of that era. And none of those bikes had as nice of details as the Nuova Strada.

I think this is Bilato built, at least from what I have read. It is my second Bilato built bike. My other one was a 2000 Marin Argenta. Yes it was aluminum but if you ever get a chance to see one look at the wells. Almost in the same league as a Klein. The bike rode great and had classic Italian geometry. If I ever find one again....

That being said, someone took the time with this bike to requisition engraved the brake bridge, seat stay caps, and fork crown. Spec a genuine cinelli BB and columbus dropouts. No unicrown fork. No fastback seat cluster. no cheaper tubing for the seat and chainstays. And size specific geometry.

Speaking of the geometry: repechage: The angles are as listed in the brochures of the time. I have measured them and they appear to be as claimed. As the rider of small frames I know what a mess they can make of small frame geometry. This is one of the best "balanced" bikes I own. I have a good number of bikes now and I will admit the De Rosa is my current favorite but the little Masi just feels right. The tight geometry of the bike may have a lot to do with it.

The GC had a steeper seat tube angle and a longer top tube. This was common practice on small bikes to move the bike forward to avoid toeclip overlap but it results is a long front center. Also the seat has to pushed further back to achieve the same riding postion and the stem may still need to be shorter. This seems more of a compromise than on the Nuova Strada.

I don't mind the fade paint job. It was part of the era and it is the era I started riding so it looks fine to me. My first bike was a Red and white '88 RB1. The similarity in colors is unmistakable.

OK I am off my soapbox. Enjoy you new bike cudak888. It will surprise you as it surprised me. Oh I love Campy 8 speed. I have it on my bianchi. I love the very mechanical feel.
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Enjoy you new bike cudak888. It will surprise you as it surprised me. Oh I love Campy 8 speed. I have it on my bianchi. I love the very mechanical feel.
I love it already, even though it hasn't been tuned up save for the RD. It's quite a stiff ride; feels as if it would be a great downhill machine. Very different from the GIOS Professional I rode not long ago, which - from my

I had Chorus 8-speed on my Pinarello Cadore. I loved the traditional clunky Campagnolo shifting with the Ergos; too bad I didn't care for the Pinarello.

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Someones had the wax can out.....
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Damn. That is one purty bike.

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Damn now I am going to have to wax mine!!

You find it a stiff riding bike. Interesting I find it on the soft and comfortable side. Now my frame is probably made for someone much lighter than I so that would make sense as I am one of those short wide guys with legs like tree trunks. ;-)
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Someones had the wax can out.....
Only in a couple of spots. Rear triangle is still dusty, and the BB shell isn't clean.

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Damn. That is one purty bike.
Aren't those headlugs something?

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You find it a stiff riding bike. Interesting I find it on the soft and comfortable side. Now my frame is probably made for someone much lighter than I so that would make sense as I am one of those short wide guys with legs like tree trunks. ;-)
I'm around 230lbs. The stiffer the frame, the better.

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...I've also toyed with the idea of dumping the '70 P13.
I'd like to claim the first spot in line to the dumpster, but my guess is Michael would beat any of us!

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...It's quite a stiff ride; feels as if it would be a great downhill machine.
You'll be hard pressed to ever know... unless you take a road trip! In which case you can ship it north for test rides among all your New England buddies. I'm pretty certain it could be adjusted to fit southpawboston, Scottryder, nlerner, BluesDaddy, ftwelder, tugrul, Top506, and me--- just to name a few. We'd all be glad to put it through the paces on places like Chicken Farmer Hill.

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Nice ride/find, Kurt. Just glancing at the freewheel gearing makes my legs tired.
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I'd like to claim the first spot in line to the dumpster, but my guess is Michael would beat any of us!
We'll see - all depends on whether I can dig up enough inexpensive flippers to make up the cost of this thing. I wasn't expecting to spend a wad of cash this month.

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You'll be hard pressed to ever know... unless you take a road trip!
You've never been to the Key Biscayne bridge, have you?



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You've never been to the Key Biscayne bridge, have you?


I've seen steeper, longer driveways.
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I've seen steeper, longer driveways.
Users of Mt. Diablo need not add to said topic

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post

You've never been to the Key Biscayne bridge, have you?

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I knew you'd try that one on me. Yes, been over it in a car. Let's see:

The Key Biscayne Bridge- 78ft above mean high tide and longest span is .6 miles or 3168 feet. So for the sake of this argument, let's assume the bridge gains 70 feet in elevation and the length of the climb or descent is 1500 feet. This would mean the grade would be about 4.5%. Since this is the only "hill" in 100s of miles, nothing to snivel at at all. Those 14-19 corn-cob freewheels mated to a 42 or 44 small chainring don't give you much low end.

Unfortunately, the bike/ped path looks like a strait-away on a roller coaster. No room for error to dodge dogs, joggers, or the weekend warrior mashing the gears on the climb as you try to best 40mph on a descent. A disaster in the waiting. I wouldn't want you to loose a Masi to a crash on this juggernaut!



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I've seen steeper, longer driveways.
Especially in the Bay area.

Hills are more fun when they have sweeps, turns, and blind corners. Letting it all hang out at 50mph is blast.
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Nice ride/find, Kurt. Just glancing at the freewheel gearing makes my legs tired.
He lives in Florida... running a corn cob is a lot of fun.
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Unfortunately, the bike/ped path looks like a strait-away on a roller coaster. No room for error to dodge dogs, joggers, or the weekend warrior mashing the gears on the climb as you try to best 40mph on a descent. A disaster in the waiting. I wouldn't want you to loose a Masi to a crash on this juggernaut!
There isn't a roadie in town that doesn't use the curb shoulder on the road as opposed to that joke of a path.

I just cold-set a fork for a local fixed-gear rider who wiped out at 45mph on the downhill section of this bridge. You should have seen the damage to his high-flange Dura-Ace 7600 track hub. Fork came out of it with much less damage; minimal, in fact.

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