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Old 06-06-11, 09:03 AM
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Good Saddle Choice - or Help Me Not Visit a Proctologist

I'm currently using a white ti rail Regal on my Marnati and I like the look and the color, but I'm finding it's not a good choice now. I've used the Regals before and they're good for rides under 20 miles...but I'm going over that nearly every ride and my derriere is KILLING ME. In an ideal world, I'd have an Italian leather saddle, white, that feels like a Brooks B-17 or Professional.

Is there an italian saddle out there that fits like a Brooks? I've never used a Turbo or Rolls extensively...how are those? Is there another option out there, in white, that I don't know about?

Obviously form has to follow function, and if putting a black brooks on there is the only option...I'll do it.
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Do you have any idea why the Regal is hurting you? My experience suggests there are two issues: padding cuts off circulation, while plastic and foam inhibits the movement of moisture. So the ideal saddle has no padding and no vapor barrier. That's why leather is good. I wonder if you can have someone dye a leather saddle white....
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I have no experience with Brooks saddles. Someone here was asking about white Brooks, maybe that is an option?

I have Concors on a couple of bikes, and they are pretty comfortable for me. I've ridden as far as 60 miles on one(in a day) and wasn't bothered.
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I have suggested this before, but again I suggest you check out Selle Anatomica saddles. They come in many colors, and at least for me are even more comfortable than Brooks. I now have them on two of my long distance bikes.
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Might be able to find a white Turbo on eBay.

This is available new:



http://www.cardiffltd.com/cambria.html
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Originally Posted by rhm View Post
Do you have any idea why the Regal is hurting you? My experience suggests there are two issues: padding cuts off circulation, while plastic and foam inhibits the movement of moisture. So the ideal saddle has no padding and no vapor barrier. That's why leather is good. I wonder if you can have someone dye a leather saddle white....
I'm not sure...it feels like strain...as though it's pressing too hard into me. I know I don't get that with a Brooks B-17 or a broken in Pro. The Regal is fine for one long ride a week...or several shorter ones...but I'm putting in over 100 a week right now, most of it on the Marnati, and the repeated riding is hurting and catching up to me.

Roger - they did make a White Brooks Pro, but good luck finding one. They made 250 and they were around $300 as I recall. I had the chance to buy one and didn't last year.
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Originally Posted by bbattle View Post
Might be able to find a white Turbo on eBay.

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http://www.cardiffltd.com/cambria.html
I don't have much experience with the Turbo...does it fit somewhat like a B-17? The Cardiff isn't a bad option...might consider that.

Thanks meet...I might give that a shot. I have an anatomica on the Merckx and have liked it...but I haven't put on concentrated, hard miles either.
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Just don't get suckered into buying a Cardiff saddle just because they are white and leather. They are garbage.

**edit**

oops too late, I see someone has already suggested it.


Its garbage.
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I love brooks, but Avocet Touring saddles I find very comfortable. They only seem to have been made in black and brown though...perhaps you could re-cover one.
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Aaron,

Look for a saddle that is as wide in the rear as the B-17/Professional. I believe the extra width and support that it gives relates to the comfort for long rides. I also second something that is unpadded and leather. Here is a link to a Mandarin B-17 @ Bells...lol. You could also do a brown or homey and still get away with it looking good IMO

http://cgi.ebay.com/Brooks-B17-Stand...-/360312507981
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Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox View Post
I love brooks, but Avocet Touring saddles I find very comfortable. They only seem to have been made in black and brown though...perhaps you could re-cover one.
I do know someone who is quite good at recovering saddles. He did a terrific job on a Fi'Zik for me. That's one I haven't used...but to be honest, if I'm going with a non-Italian saddle, I'd probably just go Brooks. I've never heard of one being dyed...maybe I can call some leather shops.

Nikkorod - I think black would be better if going the Brooks route...but the mandarin might be worth checking out. They actually had some of the white professionals but only have one left...and they won't sell it.

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Aaron...Have you tried the Fizik Aliante Gamma? Also, aesthetics aside, you might want to consider one of the SI SMP saddles. I think Scooper uses these...
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I had a turbo and it fit nothing like a Brooks for me.

I'm guessing you are looking for something with a vintage style?
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Originally Posted by buldogge View Post
Aaron...Have you tried the Fizik Aliante Gamma? Also, aesthetics aside, you might want to consider one of the SI SMP saddles. I think Scooper uses these...
I've only tried one Fi'Zik, an Arione, and wasn't fond of it. Thanks Bulldogge!

Puget...thanks for the Turbo vs. Brooks comment...that's really what I was looking for. I'd prefer vintage style, but it isn't 100% required either. The bike has CF parts after all. I like the Brooks because they good, not so much for style (honestly I find them kind of ugly and bulky).
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
They actually had some of the white professionals but only have one left...and they won't sell it.
That sounds hawt.

Send em a pic of your Marnati and tell em that's what its going on. Maybe they'll come around
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I'll put in a vote for a Dimension Afton:

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...3&category=149



Modern looking but no logos, leather, CR-MO, I had a white one on the Tiara and a Black one on the Touring Series III and have been considering getting one back. I found them to be very comfortable.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
I've only tried one Fi'Zik, an Arione, and wasn't fond of it. Thanks Bulldogge!

Puget...thanks for the Turbo vs. Brooks comment...that's really what I was looking for. I'd prefer vintage style, but it isn't 100% required either. The bike has CF parts after all. I like the Brooks because they good, not so much for style (honestly I find them kind of ugly and bulky).
Perhaps the Aliante then? I found the flat top on the arione/pave to be uncomfortable because it didn't conform. Also can't go wrong with an old Flite.

How about some pics of the Marnati
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I'll give the Regal a good home if you decide to get rid of it.

Too bad I sold that Professional - we could have traded!
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The Concor/Regal type of saddles from San Marco either fits you or not, but anything less than a good fit will most likely be a painful compromise after some miles on them. That's why when it does not work out for most, The Selle Italia Turbo is the second choice. as it has more padding, and a wider, and I think, more flexible shell that will accomodate more sit bone widths and posterior shapes. I would think the next choice after the turbo is the Rolls, with just a bit more padding, but similar shell shape to the Turbo. After that, you might consider one of those "gel" padded Turbo saddles, although you start to incur a weight penalty and most were covered in lycra and/or Kevlar material, rarely in leather, if ever.

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BBM...it's definitely going to be gone. I love how it looks, but I'm starting to really put down miles and it's just not working.

I'm thinking I might give the Selle Anatomic a shot...I don't know why it didn't occur to me...I already have one.

Can anyone comment on how the Rolls rides compared to a B-17?
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
I've never used a Turbo or Rolls extensively...how are those?
I rode a Turbo though the 80's, and it worked fine for anything under 40 miles, for my body. HOWEVER, I had numbness/circulation issues on longer rides.

The Selle Anatomica's look quite nice and I hear they are extremely comfortable.

I'm presently on a B-17N and I love it, though I haven't spent much longer than 2 hours in it at a given time.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
Can anyone comment on how the Rolls rides compared to a B-17?
A Rolls rides very much like a Turbo, which, to me, is probably the most comfortable saddle one can ride for short trips.

However, once I started getting into long distance riding (I've been doing randonneur distances since 2005), neither a Turbo, nor my other favorite (Selle Italia Flite Trans Am) would cut it for me. I think the reasons B-17s are favored by randonneurs are width (170 mm), smoothness of the saddle surface (stitching on saddles really can get to your back side after many miles), as well as the tendency of the leather to conform to your sit bones once it's broken in. The down side is the tendency of (some modern) Brooks saddles to continue to sag and become "butt axes."

After a lot of trial and error, I've finally landed on a saddle that works wonderfully for me on long distance rides -- the Avocet O2 Air 40M (the men's wide version). About 160 mm wide, and just the right firmness. Don't know that it comes in white, however.

But, boy, when it comes to saddles, your mileage may vary . . . .
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A Rolls rides very much like a Turbo, which, to me, is probably the most comfortable saddle one can ride for short trips.

However, once I started getting into long distance riding (I've been doing randonneur distances since 2005), neither a Turbo, nor my other favorite (Selle Italia Flite Trans Am) would cut it for me. I think the reasons B-17s are favored by randonneurs are width (170 mm), smoothness of the saddle surface (stitching on saddles really can get to your back side after many miles), as well as the tendency of the leather to conform to your sit bones once it's broken in. The down side is the tendency of (some modern) Brooks saddles to continue to sag and become "butt axes."

After a lot of trial and error, I've finally landed on a saddle that works wonderfully for me on long distance rides -- the Avocet O2 Air 40M (the men's wide version). About 160 mm wide, and just the right firmness. Don't know that it comes in white, however.

But, boy, when it comes to saddles, your mileage may vary . . . .
And how.

I know from experience that a B-17 is generally my sweet spot, and the Pros are fine once broken in. I REALLY like the Regal for short rides, but it's not working for longer ones.

I'm going to give the anatomica a shot...if it works, great. If not...I'll just have to stick on a Brooks. Form has to follow function.
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I had a rolls and it caused instant numbness. It fits nothing like any brooks.
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Do you have any friends in Seattle? I know of one shop near Seattle that has a white Brooks Professional, or at least they did when I popped in there last Friday. I think they've priced it at $199.

I have one on a singlespeed that I got as a bare frame and had painted a pale pink. It's pretty...and comfy.
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