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Old 09-26-11, 08:45 PM
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I've been interested in C'dales for years now too. I think my remember them at the double wheel store I shopped in the late 80's.

Can someone explain to me which models were Criterium, and which were road? I've seen references to both. I thought in the early 80's there were the SR and the ST frames. SR being the Racing frames, and ST being the touring frames? I've been looking for a Road frame now for about a year. I think I have most of the parts to build one.
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Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
What about an '87 SR400 Team Comp? Anything good about them?
The SR400 was a racing model with the same frame as the higher end models, but with mid-level components: Suntour Alpha3000 DR's, Sugino crank, Vetta saddle. Mine came with skinny Mistral wheels (not much room for anything wider).
The ride is far better than anything I would have expected from an aluminum bike (though the '87's had steel forks, accounting for one-half of the bike's connection with the road ).

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Old 09-27-11, 04:55 AM
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Steel forks? I wonder why they did that? Interesting, thanks!
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What about an '87 SR400 Team Comp? Anything good about them?
Same frame as used on all Cannondale road bikes in '87, the only difference was color and componentry. Will accept 130OLD rear wheelset, so you can upgrade to the very latest in modern stuff if you want. or anywhere in between. IMHO, Shimano 600 tricolor 8 speed is the bomb on those frames.

Steel forks? Because Tange was supplying just about everyone with steel forks to order back then and they last pretty much forever.

Letenn, what size SR frame are you looking for? I still have some of those in storage...a 58, a 60 and a 62, I think. Maybe a 56.
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Old 09-27-11, 07:28 AM
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"Same frame as used on all Cannondale road bikes in '87"

"The SR400 was a racing model with the same frame as the higher end models"

Not the same frame, at least in 1987. The SR500 and up had steeper frame angles and was the 'crit' bike. The SR400 is not as relaxed at the ST frame, but in between.
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Old 09-27-11, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by letenn View Post
I've been interested in C'dales for years now too. I think my remember them at the double wheel store I shopped in the late 80's.

Can someone explain to me which models were Criterium, and which were road? I've seen references to both. I thought in the early 80's there were the SR and the ST frames. SR being the Racing frames, and ST being the touring frames? I've been looking for a Road frame now for about a year. I think I have most of the parts to build one.
Look at https://www.vintagecannondale.com/ .
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Old 09-27-11, 10:23 AM
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Not the same frame, at least in 1987
I stand corrected, the SR400/500 had slightly slacker head tube angles & therefore slightly longer wheelbase and slightly more trail than the SR600 and higher models. We are, however, talking about very small differences that would not be discerned by the average rider.
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Great stuff on vintagecannondale! Thanks!
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Old 09-27-11, 11:08 AM
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Would the '87 SR400 Team Comp have been an all USA made and assembled bike or was it already out sourced by then to be assembled in another country?
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Old 09-27-11, 12:43 PM
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Would the '87 SR400 Team Comp have been an all USA made and assembled bike or was it already out sourced by then to be assembled in another country?
All USA, except for the forks which they bought from Tange.

Frame outsourcing has only been the last couple of years.
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are you still looking, I have a stripped cannondale frame?

https://monterey.craigslist.org/bik/2599433392.html
thats my listing. I live in monterey. Lets talk
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Originally Posted by kralizec View Post
are you still looking, I have a stripped cannondale frame?

https://monterey.craigslist.org/bik/2599433392.html
thats my listing. I live in monterey. Lets talk
You might want to list the size for those that are interested. Looks like 58 cm, but not sure.

People still buy those old frames ? Maybe I should dust mine off.
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I actually haven't measured it. If he is interested I will measure but as we speak its sitting in my garage wanting a new owner. I don't have enough spare parts to build it up
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letenn, I tried to get this in earlier, but my multi tasking maxes at three.

There is really little difference between the handling of a crit and road race frame in my experiance. The crit frame is less forgiving when railing a turn as it will give no warning of an impending low slide crash, kind of binary... you're up, you're down. The road race geometry will usually wiggle the handle bars as a warning.

The frames are the same aside from the head tube angle.

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Whats crit?
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crit = Criterium
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I think the crit frame had a larger diameter downtube. (It's all a blur now )
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I think the crit frame had a larger diameter downtube. (It's all a blur now )
I've read that also, but I haven't had a pre '89 crit and a RR frame to measure. In '89 with the intro of the 3.0 frame the downtube grew just a little, but I'm pretty sure it was for both frames. Cannondale's older catalogs are sometimes vague on the fine points. It became easier when the 2.8 frame was introduced and the crit frame was dropped.

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Originally Posted by bradtx View Post
I've read that also, but I haven't had a pre '89 crit and a RR frame to measure. In '89 with the intro of the 3.0 frame the downtube grew just a little, but I'm pretty sure it was for both frames. Cannondale's older catalogs are sometimes vague on the fine points. It became easier when the 2.8 frame was introduced and the crit frame was dropped.

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For the 3.0 crit frame: Steeper headtube angle, shorter chainstays and wheelbase. The downtube does appear to be fatter than the road race frame as well.

https://66.147.244.179/~vintagm8/year/1990/1990.pdf
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Old 09-27-11, 02:33 PM
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Here is the question I am dealing with:
Would I give up my Pristine '86 Schwinn Columbus Tenax steel bike for a C-Dale road bike like this? It just so happens a bike shop up the road has a used one for sale at a decent price that is my size, but I would have to sell my Tempo to avoid financial stress. Opinions?
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Old 09-27-11, 02:35 PM
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I guess I should add that I'm small, slow, and ride a lot on country roads of, um, varying quality. But I really like my C-Dale touring bike!
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I'd suggest taking it for a test ride if they'll let you. You're going to hear a whole lot of criticism of old aluminum frames on here. Fwiw I ride a 3.0 RR frame on the streets of nyc (ie. BAD road conditions) and don't find it particularly uncomfortable but you're bound to hear reports from people who may or may not have owned one that they'll knock your fillings loose and other nonsense. Try it yourself if you can. They're quick and nimble and comfortable if the size is correct imo.
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Well, I acquired my '86 C'dale in a trade (Centurion DLX Sport) with a roommate who didn't know what he had.

Frame deserves better components than the Sugino, Suntour, ect. In the process of retrofitting.
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So an '87 SR400 Team Comp, is that a Crit or a road racer?
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According to the 1987 catalog, the SR500, and SR400 are classified as Road Race frames. The SR2000, SR1000, SR800, SR600 are classified as Criterium Frames. In the 1987 catalog there is a chart on page 28 of 29 that shows the different angles.

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