ColonelJLloyd 

Well put, aixaix. I would like to see you further demonstrate your point by POSTING SOME PICS!

aixaix 

Pics of what, colonel sir? More doodads?

ColonelJLloyd 

Weigle built bicycles.

guygadois 

I never asked what the value was to me. I asked about market price. As I stated earlier, I'm having problems figuring out if this is a good deal or not.

As I stated, this is a late 80's frame. I never asked if it would fit me. That's been taken care of and thank you for your concern. The post was about trying to find out market prices to pay a fair price. I expect a bit more from someone with thousands of posts.

guygadois 

Thanks for the response. I don't plan on spending thousands of dollars for a flipper. This would be a rider. I don't know of too many frame builders out there that are still making frames that have so few comps out there. Rare bikes indeed but also a testament to riders holding on to theirs.

GG

Velognome 

Reallity check: Its lugs, tubes bearings and paint- It's value is what it's worth to you. How bad do you want it?

I too would like to see more Weigle Frames.

nlerner

Grab a favorite beverage and peruse JP Weigle's flickr pics:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/4935356...th/5806756438/

Neal

JunkYardBike

There is a comp on ebay: https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...#ht_500wt_1156

80's road frame with typical 80's paint in a very oddball geometry (58 x 55). Sold for $325 + shipping.

I've seen some of his other frames listed occasionally for thousands.

aixaix 

Here's a link to JPW's Flickr page: https://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569@N00/

Enjoy! Drool!

aixaix 

What Junkyardbike says is just my point. If a frame from a great builder comes up for sale, and it is the wrong size, odd geometry or just falls below the radar of the few people who agree that it is worth a lot, it goes for very little. And when a frame comes up that attracts the notice of two or more people who really want it (some Motobecanes a year or so ago come to mind), prices can go through the roof. The exact same frame, offered a month later, might go for a tenth as much. Or ten times as much. Trying to establish an objective value of a Weigle frame puts you in the position of the statistician on a hunting trip who, observing his two companions miss the same target by equal amounts left and right, announces, "We got him!"

ColonelJLloyd 

All good points, but there seems to be some dead horse abuse beginning. He's considering dropping a good chunk of change on a frame. It's understandable to want to get a feel for whether or not you're grossly overpaying.

Henry III

Unless ATMO gained like double his weight I doubt it. No offense to who that gentleman is but Richard is a pretty thin fellow. With the books closed on new customers he probably can't get out and ride much building all those frames. lol.

aixaix 

With all due respect, Colonel, you are missing the point. He will never be able to tell whether he's grossly overpaying or not because there is no agreed-upon value for these frames. There is nothing wrong with wanting to know how much something is worth to others, but in this case, it is unknowable.

The internet is 56.1% porn, 43.82% dead horse abuse & .08% content. Just doing my part...

noglider 

aixaix, you're very witty and bright.

gomango 

....and apparently, yet another important resource for my kids and I as we continue our 1972 BMW 2002 rebuild saga.

ColonelJLloyd 

I'm not missing my point. I realize no one can give the guy a specific figure or even a really close estimate. But, geez, this isn't rocket science. I really doubt Weigle's build prices fluctuate that wildly. If someone could tell him a typical build costs $4,000-5,000 he can start there and use what he knows about the frame in which he's interested to adjust from there.

aixaix 

You win, Colonel. RHIP

Happy to consult on your 2002 project, Gomango. Call or email!

ColonelJLloyd 

Had to look that one up. I outrank no one. It's a nickname. For the record, though I come off as a brash a-hole (and I often am) I just thought we here could help the guy out a little with our collective knowledge and give him something to go on. I'm sure he's a bright dude and will figure it out. Now to bookmark the Weigle porn.

jan nikolajsen 

I like the joke about the hunters and the statistician.

KonAaron Snake 

+1...stuff like this is all over the map, depending on which two of the small collector's see it and have paychecks in hand that week. They don't have the more established value things like a Colnago has. Like others have said, I'd put him in the 5 builders who's bikes I most covet (hopefully I'll have another of those five scratched off tonight!).

JunkYardBike

My wife, a statistician by training, used to have a t-shirt that read: "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics".

I think the same logic might apply to the prices on certain collectible bicycles.

KonAaron Snake 

I've had the pleasure of meeting him once or twice and you're right. He's not as witty as his daughter though

MetinUz

Ok, maybe there are no direct comparables. For me, in terms of value, Weigle ranks up there with the best custom builders, such as Richard Sachs, or early classics such as Masi or De Rosa. See how you like the bike, compare it to a De Rosa to get a ballpark price. At some point, this will come to your personal taste: would I like a Weigle for $xxxx or a De Rosa for $yyyy?

Picchio Special

True, but a good part of what your paying for when you order a frame from Weigle is custom fit and geometry - and not only that, but likely custom tubing selection as well. Once you move into the used market, it becomes a very different animal from, say, an early 70's Masi, since the Masi is not usually a custom build in the same sense. The Weigle may very well ride very differently for the new owner. Often, custom frames do not command high prices on resale for that very reason - an "off the peg" frame is likely to ride well for a wider range of folks - and indeed is designed that way. High-custom frames, OTOH, are sometimes quite idiosyncratic. The OP asked about Weigles, which are inherently a very custom object, and then all of a sudden we were having a discussion about a used frame and value. Very apples and oranges in my book, though sadly in pointing this out I apparently failed to live up to the expectations placed by the OP on such a prolific C&V poster as myself, which I've been pouting about pretty much all day.

(Where I work, we don't say, "It's not rocket science," we say, "It's not brain surgery," because we're neurology; neurosurgery is at the other end of the medical suite we're in.)

cb400bill

Where I work we say "It's not rocket surgery.".