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Old 06-23-11, 11:39 AM
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Give up on 27" or buy new tires, etc. ?

I have a Shogun 400 I took the original Araya 27" wheels off, and have been using a mis-matched but sturdy set of 700c with Nashbar prima plus (the Kevlar ones) for commuting and a back-up road bike.

I've switched these wheels to a new Fuji build I had tubular rims on, so now the Shogun needs wheels. I could buy new tires (Nashbar has a 27" version, too) & rim tape, use Schrader valve tubes, repack the hubs and be back in business. But I'm wondering if 27" is just too obsolete and underperforming, and buy a new wheelset (maybe even for the Fuji).
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Old 06-23-11, 11:50 AM
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not obsolete at all - i ride 27x1 1/4s - ebay / google you'll find plenty of choice and style for 27s
which u would prefer is a whole diff story

also - you can just by old 10 speeds on craigs and snatch the wheels on the super cheap
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I've got no problem with 27" either and have been finding with a larger profile 1 1/4 tires like Continental I feel the ride is smoother. The size isn't that different but it is the same concept as riding in a car with 13" wheels verses 15" - the bigger size rolls over bumps better. As marley mentioned there are still a fair number of choices out there.
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Obsolete... probably, but so are the bikes we all drool about.

Even if they are obsolete, there are plenty of tire choices.
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27" tires.

Let me be the first to say it.

Panaracer Pasela.
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ditto that. 1 1/8 inch.
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I'm using a set of 27" Wolber rims on my commuting bike (with Schwalbe Marathons), definitely not as quick as silk (all I have) sew-ups but it's a commuter for gosh sake. The only issue is that fenders are a tight fit.

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I've got no problem with 27" either and have been finding with a larger profile 1 1/4 tires like Continental I feel the ride is smoother. The size isn't that different but it is the same concept as riding in a car with 13" wheels verses 15" - the bigger size rolls over bumps better. As marley mentioned there are still a fair number of choices out there.
You're comparing 27x1 1/4 with 700x(what?) I wouldn't think there'd be a discernable difference if the tires were the same brand, model and width. (F'rinstance, Pasela 27x1 1/4 vs 700x32c) The difference in diameter would only be 8mm - less that 2%. The difference between 13 and 15" is more like 15%. But hey, I've been wrong before. Well, maybe, I really don't remember... ;-)

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Why give up on 27"? Both my solo bikes have 27". Our tandem has 700C. The tandem wheels look small, but that's just me.
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if you need to buy wheels (new or used) get 700c. reason being you can set both bikes up to use both wheelssets.
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The problem with purchasing 700C tires is, it takes so friggin' long to search through and evaluate all the options, especially when you're cost sensitive, like most of us skinflints are. Give me 27"; I'll take the time I save looking for tires and spend it snoozing in my hammock instead!
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Originally Posted by cb400bill View Post
27" tires.

Let me be the first to say it.

Panaracer Pasela.

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As long as they are making these, there is no need for 700's.
(I sort'a wish all my bikes took 27's!)
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As long as they are making these, there is no need for 700's.
(I sort'a wish all my bikes took 27's!)
And God help Panasonic and all the retailers if they announce they're discontinuing them. Can you imagine?

Nashbar, I'd like $1000 in tires please.
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Just count yourself lucky you don't have 32/40 spoke counts and tyre retention to worry about
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Hey, I have 32/40's on my 62 Falcon and 52 Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix! But they are steel, of course. For the Falcon I had to go to 32/40 700c for an alloy wheel for daily rides,,,,
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Obsolete?

Those new 700 wheels are so much more rounder!
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Months and months ago, I helped out a friend of mine getting a vintage bike together by giving her some parts and selling her a Raliegh mixte frame cheaper than I could've made otherwise. She insisted she pay me atleast something. I was just gonna give to her. Anyway, she asked my opinion on wheel/tire sizing. I suggested she start out by using the original 27" wheelset with 1 1/4" tires and go from there. When asked why I suggested that she stick with that size and not something more modern (despite what everyone else was telling her about availability and options compared to anything 700c), I simply told her 27" wheels have a grace and smoothness I personally don't feel in any 700c.....atleast nothing up to 32mm.

Well, she hasn't finished building that frame up, yet. But, she has more recently acquired a Raleigh step-through complete and dirt cheap..... Suntour equipped, etc. Actually pretty nice. Anyway, she got this to get her up and running immediately until she could finish the mixte. And, so she got the Paselas for it. <<<FAT!!!! freakin' tires!>>>> And, they do roll noticeably smoother than my bike using 700/32's. After acquiring and riding her step-through, she thanked me and whole heartedly agreed with original reasoning.

You see, this is akin to what most anyone of 4x4/rock crawling knowledge knows about wheel size. You may not think it, but the larger rims/wheels do indeed make a difference in how the vehicle feels and responds offroad, etc.

And, FWIW, the kevlar, Cheng Shin 27x1 1/4's at Wal-Mart are just as plump as the Paselas and ride just as nice....though they do only come in black walls. I just installed some in my wife's Bridgestone mixte. She even remarked how well the bike just seems to roll right over the rocks (we live in the woods) without disturbing her ability to handle the bike so much. But, she's not ridden one in over 20 years, either. I agree....her bike is bad ass and actually one of my all time favorite builds. I even ride it up and down the road, myself.....
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Hey, I have 32/40's on my 62 Falcon and 52 Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix! But they are steel, of course. For the Falcon I had to go to 32/40 700c for an alloy wheel for daily rides,,,,
Then you'll be familiar with low tyre pressures and perhaps even the learning curve involving loud bangs as inner tubes burst... :-)
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Oh.....one last thing. I've noticed a difference using 27 x 1" and 700cx28's on my Bottecchia. The 27's by far take road bumps better. They're not as quickly responding in some cases, but again....that "grace" is there, the bike is just as fast, and IMO seems to be easier to keep the momentum going once it's going. Downhill....I'm a screamin' rocket!!

Edit: And, yes, we're talkin' equal tire pressure.
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The problem with purchasing 700C tires is, it takes so friggin' long to search through and evaluate all the options, especially when you're cost sensitive, like most of us skinflints are. Give me 27"; I'll take the time I save looking for tires and spend it snoozing in my hammock instead!
I usually just buy the Continental (wire or folding) in my price bracket...Ultra Sports (700 or 27"), Top Touring, Ultra Gatorskins, 4000... done. I don't flip bikes so I don't buy Cheng Shins for $7.50 or Kendas for $10. Life's too short for cheap rubber.
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And, FWIW, the kevlar, Cheng Shin 27x1 1/4's at Wal-Mart are just as plump as the Paselas and ride just as nice....though they do only come in black walls. .
The wire-bead version comes in gumwall and they ride just fine IMHO -so do the Kenda's which are the same identical tires with a different name for all I can tell.

Cheng Shin C637 Road Bike Tire (Wire Bead, 27" x 1-1/4", Gum Wall)
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I usually just buy the Continental (wire or folding) in my price bracket...Ultra Sports (700 or 27"), Top Touring, Ultra Gatorskins, 4000... done. I don't flip bikes so I don't buy Cheng Shins for $7.50 or Kendas for $10. Life's too short for cheap rubber.

I'm not gonna say the Cheng Shins I reference are as good as Paselas, Conti's, etc. as far as durability. But, what do you pay? Here, atleast, expect around $50-$60/set for the better tire. Dude....the Cheng Shins are not that bad. I only discovered them because I needed a tire after LBS hours and guess who was open? I was surprised how well that tire has held up after a year. Though, I don't don 27's on my Trek right now, as soon as I can rebuild my rear wheel, they're going back on.....Cheng Shin style. $30 for set and I've got something left over. Some folks don't necessarily need the best or the better, even. Life's too short to be worryin' about it.
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The wire-bead version comes in gumwall and they ride just fine IMHO -so do the Kenda's which are the same identical tires with a different name for all I can tell.

Cheng Shin C637 Road Bike Tire (Wire Bead, 27" x 1-1/4", Gum Wall)
Oh.....well, I never bothered to look online. I was only speaking for the ones at Wally World because I acquired them there. Nice to know, though. Thanks!
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Niagara even combines shipping on Amazon so when you buy more stuff the shipping doesn't go up hardly at all. I usually combine about 5-6 things when I make an order to them (seems like every week or so as I'm always restoring bikes) and shipping is rarely over $10-12. That makes the set of tires well under $20. I don't care about durability that much as I'm always working on bikes the changing of the tires is nothing. If they last only half as long I'm still 2x ahead on price.

The only real niggle I have with the Kenda/Chen Shins is all the hairy nubbins they come with. They drive me crazy. Other tires have them too but it seems these have 2-3x more of them and longer too. I usually spend 4-5 minutes with a razor blade cutting them all off on each tires. I'm a bit OCD -but I hate hearing them whiszzzzhing against the fender stays.
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