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Old 06-23-11, 11:32 PM
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The fork looks a little weird to me.
Is it just me?








Some rust inside frame, is it bad??










I'm pretty new to this so any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Fork's bent.
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well judging by the pictures, the fork looks to be different than other forks, so it may give the illusion that the forks bent, it looks like the fork sets the wheel further back or so

i could be wrong though, i've been wrong before
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Pretty good, but yeah, that fork looks tweaked. The frame itself looks okay, but look closely at the down tube and top tube just behind the head tube. If the fork was bent the frame could be bent, too. If it is, there will be some buckling on the down tube and possibly some paint flaking off the top tube (due to the tube being stretched from a crash). That's what to look for, but the pictures look okay to me, framewise. Pop a new fork on there and you should be good to go.

The rust in the tube looks to be only cosmetic, no big deal.
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Pretty good, but yeah, that fork looks tweaked. The frame itself looks okay, but look closely at the down tube and top tube just behind the head tube. If the fork was bent the frame could be bent, too. If it is, there will be some buckling on the down tube and possibly some paint flaking off the top tube (due to the tube being stretched from a crash). That's what to look for, but the pictures look okay to me, framewise. Pop a new fork on there and you should be good to go.

The rust in the tube looks to be only cosmetic, no big deal.



Is straightening a bent fork an easy fix??

The frame looks fine to me there's no obvious bends in it.
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take a close up of the fork crown, it looks like something different
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Bent Frames! Bent Fork! Bent both! Not to worry too much since bent bicycles are not at all uncommon. Have a look through Frame and Fork Preparation for some answers pertaining to how to determine what is bent and how it is bent. See also some ideas for repair.

It looks to me like the builder, be he/she/it human or robot, got the fork crown on backwards during assembly. Laugh not, this sort of thing does happen and somehow does slip through the Quality Control barriers. I am probably wrong but I do not recall seeing a crown fitted in that manner.

Hope this is a help.
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I'd have to agree with Randy, it looks like the fork crown was put together backwards. That shortens the effective rake in the fork so it makes the handling more twitchy. If it looks like the brazing is good, then changing the fork is up to you, depending on how you prefer the handling. Other than the fork, it looks like a nice bike. Welcome to the Club.
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The fork looks pretty good to me........ I think the bike is leaning a little and the wheel is turned making it look off. Take a good pic with the bike nice and straight, and the wheel nice and straight as well. It is VERY hard, if not impossible to detect a bent fork by looking at a photo. Take it to your LBS and have them look at it, but I think your good. Very nice find!!!!!
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Fork looks ok to me (best I can tell from a pic). Stand the bike up straight, with the wheel straight, sight down the headtube from the side. The fork should be in-line and curving forward. You can hold a straight-edge down the headtube if you don't like the eyeball method.
They probably use the same frame for different bikes and made the fork like that to quicken the steering of that model without having to make a frame with different geometry.
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I think its OK or at least the way it was designed to be. Here's a photo of another Club from a Google search. It looks about the same as yours.
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Originally Posted by Tipmann View Post
The fork looks a little weird to me.
Is it just me?
Hmmmm....

This fascinaton with weirdness, very interesting.



Should be OK...
just needs you to get out there and take it for a spin!
BTW, nice bike! Fujis are great!

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Yep. Don't worry about the fork and frame.
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Thanks for all the replies everyone!
I'm going to ride it to my lbs and ask them what they think about the fork and frame.

Oh and I got chuckle out of that Freud post.
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Thanks for all the replies everyone!
I'm going to ride it to my lbs and ask them what they think about the fork and frame.

Oh and I got chuckle out of that Freud post.
Watch out for those guys down at the LBS.
Old steel framed bikes get no respect!

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Well I went to the bike shop and one guy said it was a little tweaked but he said it wouldn't affect the ride too bad.
Another guy said it was definitely bent and that it would be cheap to fix.
Either way they seemed friendly and eager to help.
Should I pay to let them cold set it back to shape or should I leave it like it is?
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Well I went to the bike shop and one guy said it was a little tweaked but he said it wouldn't affect the ride too bad.
Another guy said it was definitely bent and that it would be cheap to fix.
Either way they seemed friendly and eager to help.
Should I pay to let them cold set it back to shape or should I leave it like it is?
My vote is for ... getting it all squared away.
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Originally Posted by randyjawa View Post
Bent Frames! Bent Fork! Bent both! Not to worry too much since bent bicycles are not at all uncommon. Have a look through Frame and Fork Preparation for some answers pertaining to how to determine what is bent and how it is bent. See also some ideas for repair.

It looks to me like the builder, be he/she/it human or robot, got the fork crown on backwards during assembly. Laugh not, this sort of thing does happen and somehow does slip through the Quality Control barriers. I am probably wrong but I do not recall seeing a crown fitted in that manner.

Hope this is a help.
That's my guess, too.....the crown absolutely looks to have been put on backwards. But then again maybe it's just me.
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Is straightening a bent fork an easy fix??

The frame looks fine to me there's no obvious bends in it.
I took a fall on one of my bikes, and took it too my LBS, to fix it. They told me the forks were BENT.

Now, check this out. This is a HAND ON LBS MECHANIC indicating that the my FORKS WERE BENT. They recommended another LBS, that does frame straighening and bent forks. Took it to them, THEY PUT SOME DEVICES ON THE BIKE THAT MEASURES the forks alignment, AND GUESS what they said, THE FORKS ARE NOT BENT.. I sang oh happy day after that..

I said all that to say, pictures can show illisions of something bent, and in my case, a bike mechanic doing a hands on, saying the fork was bent. Take the bike to a shop that fixes frames and forks, let them measure it, and you will get it from the horses mouth. I almost was ordering another fork off the internet from the info I got from the bike mechanic.. Just my opinion...

BTW, that is a dam nice CL find too.. Love it...
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Hmm that's interesting!
I guess I should take it for another opinion.
Thanks for the advice.
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That's my guess, too.....the crown absolutely looks to have been put on backwards. But then again maybe it's just me.

The fork crown is NOT on backwards, that is correct for that bike. I think everyone thinks the fork is bent due to the odd look of the fork crown, but I am willing to bet it is fine.
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