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Old 06-24-11, 07:06 PM
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Zefal HP frame pump..&...towntube shifters

......are the white plastic inserts (that rest on the frame ) still available ??

A friend at my work was wanting to sell an old Motobecane 'Grand Touring' ,approx 1977-78 ,nothing special, SunTour , and I bought it, ( is $50 too much ? ) . a few years ago he had his downtoube shifters moved to the handlebar stem with Shimano.

Was thinking of putting back on downtube like orig. and getting a more 'proper 'saddle,as he put a large Bell matress seat on it


Thanks for pump info !!
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Originally Posted by neondave View Post
......are the white plastic inserts (that rest on the frame ) still available ??

Thanks for pump info !!
do you mean a clamp on pump peg? the make or made a black one that clamped like a radiator hose clamp. check you bikeship
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Is a frame fit pump, such as an HP-X, along the seat tube an option for you?
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Those stem shifters were junk, so moving back to downtube would be the best option and the original way the factory wanted it.

The frame pump fits on the bottom of the top tube thus would never interfere with the shifters...at least none that I've ever seen. Most, if not all, the pre 80's road bikes came with one set of water bottle bosses on the down tube just below the shifters, and none on the seat tube, so that was where frame pumps originally went.

Also if you want to tour with it you could put bar end shifters in instead of downtube.

If your bike used clamp on shifters, which most older bikes did, then you can position the shifters lower then stock and be able to put the frame pump on the top tube, then you could buy a water bottle mounting bracket from Minoura and be able to attach it to the seat tube and voila you have a second water bottle! By the way, Walmart sells the second best (below the Minoura) water bottle bracket on the market?! yup. It uses a metal clamp which comes with rubber gasket to protect the frame from the clamp, and it comes with a water bottle cage which you can replace with any cage you want if you don't like the cage. But the point is you can get a water bottle bracket for less then $10 and it works great...I have one on a touring bike so I could mount 3 bottles, the Walmart one is located upside down on the down tube by the bottom bracket so the front tire could clear it. And the Walmart one is really strong, it holds my 24 ounce Polar bottles with no problem.

And the little plastic things you speak of cannot be purchased, you will have to get another pump. If you want a period correct pump Silca still makes the Imperio pump that comes in various colors, but the Campy head is no longer available but they do have two heads for it, one is a barrel shaped with two legs job and the other is a oval shaped one, the oval one is the better of the two. See: http://www.yellowjersey.org/silca.html Their kind of pricey but they offer the vintage look no other pump today can do.

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Originally Posted by John E View Post
Is a frame fit pump, such as an HP-X, along the seat tube an option for you?

OH those little fin kinda things on the chuck/head.
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Thanks for the info,

Im sure I can find some SunTour downtube shifters,..maybe not exact what came on it though. Bar end is a good option....

Also, would it be a sin to get some kind of a extension to raise the bars up a few inches ? ( Who sells 'em ? ) The prev owner had the bars so high they were almost commin out

A few years back I sold my Super Mirage (approx 1980 ) because of neck probs,..but thought Id try again when my friend sold me this bike. Good shape, Im going to look for shifters & a saddle on Sat




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Those stem shifters were junk, so moving back to downtube would be the best option and the original way the factory wanted it.

Also if you want to tour with it you could put bar end shifters in instead of downtube.
And the little plastic things you speak of cannot be purchased, you will have to get another pump. If you want a period correct pump Silca still makes the Imperio pump that comes in various colors, but the Campy head is no longer available but they do have two heads for it, one is a barrel shaped with two legs job and the other is a oval shaped one, the oval one is the better of the two. See: http://www.yellowjersey.org/silca.html Their kind of pricey but they offer the vintage look no other pump today can do.
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Nitto makes a tall stem called the Technomic, this will allow you to raise the stem up to about twice as tall as the standard stem. And I know the place where you can go and get these cheap, see: http://www.niagaracycle.com/advanced...sort=2a&page=2
Scan down to the bottom of the page and onto page 3 and you will see 8 Nitto Technomic's, the difference is the stems forward reach. Generally you want a stem with a long enough reach so that when your on the hoods the bar obscures the front hub; but you also don't want your arms straight out and locked, you need some bend in the elbows. So set on your bike now and put your hands on the hoods then look down and note the position relative to the hub axle. You can raise the stem past it's limit line AS LONG AS YOU DON'T RIDE IT LIKE THAT, but just to give you an idea of where you need to be in the stems forward reach. Then just estimate how long or short of a reach you need. Here's a video of that, the stuff I'm talking about comes towards the end but watch the whole thing: http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vid...KVR5&FORM=LKVR
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I checked and the bar does obscure the front axle.

I found some SunTour 'Ratchet' shifters & an old saddle . Looks pretty good. Here are a couple pics. Yes, the shifters are branded 'Raleigh', but made by SunTour . $7.50 investment for both.

I'll see how it goes after some time on the bike.

Does 1978-1979 seem a good guess ? Owner says '78....


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Nitto makes a tall stem called the Technomic, this will allow you to raise the stem up to about twice as tall as the standard stem. And I know the place where you can go and get these cheap, see: http://www.niagaracycle.com/advanced...sort=2a&page=2
Scan down to the bottom of the page and onto page 3 and you will see 8 Nitto Technomic's, the difference is the stems forward reach. Generally you want a stem with a long enough reach so that when your on the hoods the bar obscures the front hub; but you also don't want your arms straight out and locked, you need some bend in the elbows. So set on your bike now and put your hands on the hoods then look down and note the position relative to the hub axle. You can raise the stem past it's limit line AS LONG AS YOU DON'T RIDE IT LIKE THAT, but just to give you an idea of where you need to be in the stems forward reach. Then just estimate how long or short of a reach you need. Here's a video of that, the stuff I'm talking about comes towards the end but watch the whole thing: http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vid...KVR5&FORM=LKVR
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The little plastic inserts for the pump are really hard to find. I collected a few spares, years ago, and am very stingy with them. But I can trace one for you, if you like. There's no reason you couldn't cut one out of plastic (or even plywood) of the right thickness; they're not complicated.

I learned years ago that if you put the umbrella clip on the seat tube (which is an option if you're tall enough) your pant cuff will snag the pump lock lever, knock the whole thing on the ground, where it will get crushed by the next passing car. The only good thing about this procedure is that it adds two little nylon shoes to your stash. If you put the umbrella clip on the seat tube, the pump lever is on the BB side, so doesn't get snagged so bad. Though of course there can be conflict with the downtube shifters.
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[QUOTE=rhm;12840491]The little plastic inserts for the pump are really hard to find. I collected a few spares, years ago, and am very stingy with them. But I can trace one for you, if you like. There's no reason you couldn't cut one out of plastic (or even plywood) of the right thickness; they're not complicated.

I learned years ago that if you put the umbrella clip on the seat tube (which is an option if you're tall enough) your pant cuff will snag the pump lock lever, knock the whole thing on the ground, where it will get crushed by the next passing car. The only good thing about this procedure is that it adds two little nylon shoes to your stash. If you put the umbrella clip on the seat tube, the pump lever is on the BB side, so doesn't get snagged so bad. Though of course there can be conflict with the downtube shifters.[/QUOTE/]

I assume you mean the pump is installed vertically along side the seat tube vs the pump running horizontally along the top tube? If so then why would your pant cuff snag the pump lock lever? I can't ever recall even wearing pants with cuffs while riding a bicycle. Plus, having owned a bike that used that kind of pump set up many moons ago I cannot recall ever loosing the pump from snagging it on anything with the umbrella clip on the seat tube; and that is how the pros and semi pros and other wanabe racers rode all the time and they too never lost a pump in that fashion. And if you were to ride with cuffs then why not simply turn the pump 180 degrees and now the lock lever is on the chainring side which means the chainrings would prevent the cuff from getting to the lever because they would get ripped up by the chainring...but if your into wearing cuffs while riding then you should use a cuff retainer on both legs preventing ripping cuffs all up and knocking your pump off.

But Obviously you didn't explain your point well enough because you say this in the first sentence: " if you put the umbrella clip on the seat tube your pant cuff will snag..."; then you say: "If you put the umbrella clip on the seat tube, the pump lever...". Needless to say I'm confused, but that doesn't take much to do that!
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata View Post
Those stem shifters were junk, so moving back to downtube would be the best option and the original way the factory wanted it.

The frame pump fits on the bottom of the top tube thus would never interfere with the shifters...at least none that I've ever seen. Most, if not all, the pre 80's road bikes came with one set of water bottle bosses on the down tube just below the shifters, and none on the seat tube, so that was where frame pumps originally went.

Also if you want to tour with it you could put bar end shifters in instead of downtube.

If your bike used clamp on shifters, which most older bikes did, then you can position the shifters lower then stock and be able to put the frame pump on the top tube, then you could buy a water bottle mounting bracket from Minoura and be able to attach it to the seat tube and voila you have a second water bottle! By the way, Walmart sells the second best (below the Minoura) water bottle bracket on the market?! yup. It uses a metal clamp which comes with rubber gasket to protect the frame from the clamp, and it comes with a water bottle cage which you can replace with any cage you want if you don't like the cage. But the point is you can get a water bottle bracket for less then $10 and it works great...I have one on a touring bike so I could mount 3 bottles, the Walmart one is located upside down on the down tube by the bottom bracket so the front tire could clear it. And the Walmart one is really strong, it holds my 24 ounce Polar bottles with no problem.

And the little plastic things you speak of cannot be purchased, you will have to get another pump. If you want a period correct pump Silca still makes the Imperio pump that comes in various colors, but the Campy head is no longer available but they do have two heads for it, one is a barrel shaped with two legs job and the other is a oval shaped one, the oval one is the better of the two. See: http://www.yellowjersey.org/silca.html Their kind of pricey but they offer the vintage look no other pump today can do.
I bought one of the Bell water cage mounts at Wal-Mart. The clamp itself is either Minoura or an exact copy. It'll work 'till I find a more classic clamp-on for the Raleigh.

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You can make new plastic inserts from Plano fishing tackle box dividers. The dividers have a flared end that fits perfectly and the plastic is stiff enough for the job.
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Brilliant, Seasnarf! I have that same pump with the same issues. I'll dig in the garage and see what I can find..
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata View Post
... But Obviously you didn't explain your point well enough....
Ack! Okay, guilty as charged. Let me try again.

When those pumps came out, in the late 70's, I was in high school, and I rode my bike to school, wearing pants with cuffs. Hence the cuff-pump conflict. I got used to riding in pants with cuffs, and to this day I almost always wear pants with cuffs when riding, unless the weather is warm enough for shorts, in which case I may wear shorts. I did a century yesterday in long pants with cuffs, though, because I prefer long pants to suntan lotion. Anyway, that's why the cuffs are a concern. I usually wrap the cuffs up in a velcro reflective strap or pull my socks up over the cuff (for that European professorial look) but even so, the cuff-clip conflict is not completely nullified.

If professional bicyclists do not have this problem, I think we may assume it is because they do not wear pants with cuffs while riding. They also shave their legs. I admire their athleticism but not their fashion sense. They are not my role models. That said, I assure you someone other than me used to have this problem, for sure, judging by the number of zefal hp pumps I picked up at the side of the road back when they were fashionable; two, IIRC; one squished (I added its little nylon feet to my stash), the other still intact (I adopted the pump).

As for the pump/umbrella clip location, the feet on the pump are not symmetrical; they are set up for the pump to be parallel to one 28.6 mm tube or the other; the little nylon feet must go into the crotch of the down tube and the seat tube; they don't fit anywhere else. If the pump is parallel to the down tube, the lever is on the drive side; if the pump is parallel to the seat tube, the lever is on the non-drive side. Hence my problem. You can, of course, put the pump on backwards, in which case it takes very little to knock it off, so the result is the same.

I hope this explains my previous response adequately!
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[QUOTE=rhm;12840491]The little plastic inserts for the pump are really hard to find. I collected a few spares, years ago, and am very stingy with them. But I can trace one for you, if you like. There's no reason you couldn't cut one out of plastic (or even plywood) of the right thickness; they're not complicated.


I found a scrap piece of 1/8" polyethelen and 'machined' it with my dremel tool, so far its working !

I did contact 'Yellow Jersey' bike shop & he said he had 'em for $10 a pair (ouch ! )


Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Seasnarf View Post
You can make new plastic inserts from Plano fishing tackle box dividers. The dividers have a flared end that fits perfectly and the plastic is stiff enough for the job.
I did this a few years ago for one of my pumps. It's not perfect, but small enough to not be noticed.
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Originally Posted by rhm View Post
Ack! Okay, guilty as charged. Let me try again.

I hope this explains my previous response adequately!
Yes it did, thanks. I remember the days those pumps were fashionable, plus they worked great. I had 3 of them and they all got stolen because occasionally I would forget to remove the pump when I went into work or into a store! But I never would find those pumps on the ground from people loosing them, I found all sorts of other things but never a pump. I placed my umbrella clip on the top tube after a while, but I had my adjusted so that it would take quite a bit of pressure to remove it so regardless if I had the pump on the top or seat tube it wasn't coming off.
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I used to put a piece of inner tube around the pump and lever to keep it from snagging my pants cuff. Putting the pump on the downtube puts the lever on the drive side, but it interferes with one handed double shifting. Umbrella clips scratch the end of the pump. I prefer the pointed Campagnolo type.


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The plastic bits that mate with the frame tubes are called 'wings' per Zefal. I've gotten them from XXCycles. Cambria also shows them for $1.50 but I don't know about shipping from the UK. You could try to contact Zefal and ask for a US vendor.
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Ditto here with the pants cuff catching the pump and flinging it off the bike into the street.
Last summer I was given a mid-80's Motobecane Grand Tourer to use as my daily (and only ride). It had the Zefal pump mounted on the seat tube where my pant cuff immediately caught it. I've been keeping the pump in my pack but was planning on moving it to the top tube. The inner tube guard is a good idea worth trying.
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