When was this Cinelli built?
06-28-11, 10:04 AM
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I'd make a guess but my rep regarding dating Campy stuff is probably shot
I'll bet that seat post is going to be fun to remove. I'm with the don't "restore" crowd. Carefully clean, lube and enjoy. Sweet machine.
I'll bet that seat post is going to be fun to remove. I'm with the don't "restore" crowd. Carefully clean, lube and enjoy. Sweet machine.
06-28-11, 10:17 AM
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Holes in the lugs is a way of delineating the age for SC's but I have never seen a Mod. B with holes. When did they stop building the Mod. B? I think that this bike CAN be dated from the components on it. Is there a year on the rear derailleur?
06-28-11, 10:26 AM
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You may be right about model B lugs. However, I think that seat binder bolt was in use only through the 1960s. I cannot recall a 1970s Model B, but I cannot recall many useful things either.
Awaiting posts from wiser folk...
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06-28-11, 11:42 AM
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I just perused the Cinellis on Wool Jersey Gallery and the older style bolt is on bikes dated up to about 1973.
Did you see any Model Bs from after 1968?
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06-28-11, 11:52 AM
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No I didn't, now I am really curious about this as I never thought before about when they stopped building it.
Originally Posted by aixaix
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Did you see any Model Bs from after 1968?
Did you see any Model Bs from after 1968?
06-28-11, 05:40 PM
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The Cinelli registry has Model Bs from the early 70s although I never have seen one personally. I have also never seeen a B with holes in the lugs, FWIW. I think the date stamp on the RD is your best guess for the age of the bike.
06-28-11, 08:58 PM
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My guess is that this bike was not originally sold in the US. Is this true? If originally sold outside of the US, my guess would be about 1972-73.
06-28-11, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by devinfan
Here's my early 60's B, just because I rarely have an excuse to post it:
(VERY heavy sigh!)
06-30-11, 05:03 PM
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I contacted Angel from the Cinelli Only Blog and he doesn't recall seeing Mod. B with lug holes.
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06-30-11, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by devinfan
The 3 holes appeared in '68, so this bike is obviously pre-'68.
06-30-11, 05:28 PM
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It seems the "holes in lugs" don't apply to Mod. B's at all.
Originally Posted by Picchio Special
This date gets tossed around a lot. Is it a "slam dunk" at this point, or a "best guess?" Was there any overlap in hole/no-hole frames?
06-30-11, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by vjp
It seems the "holes in lugs" don't apply to Mod. B's at all.
06-30-11, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Picchio Special
I'm still interested in knowing, regarding Cinelli's generally, whether that date has become more solid based on more research and data points, or whether it has "solidified" simply as a result of breathing the special atmosphere of the internet.
06-30-11, 05:59 PM
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repeat it enough and it becomes truth, ie: the price of Confentes...
Originally Posted by Picchio Special
I'm still interested in knowing, regarding Cinelli's generally, whether that date has become more solid based on more research and data points, or whether it has "solidified" simply as a result of breathing the special atmosphere of the internet.
06-30-11, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by vjp
repeat it enough and it becomes truth, ie: the price of Confentes...
06-30-11, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by iab
Too late now. Owners certainly label their bike based on that "fact". Maybe through Spence Wolf records it could be confirmed or denied. Either way, it doesn't make much difference.
06-30-11, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dbakl
Wha? Confentes are certainly limited to whatever; they'll never be any more. While out of my league, certainly a holy grail to those who can afford them. Each is one of what, 220?
06-30-11, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Picchio Special
True, but there is a bit of "self-fulfililng prophecy" at work there. The "mojo" factor definitely adds value. As to rarity "per se," there are fewer Wizards, but they don't command the same prices.
More Wizards are being made. Confente production ended long ago. Although there is probably even more rarity from builders, Confente is what it is.
06-30-11, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dbakl
Wha? Confentes are certainly limited to whatever; they'll never be any more. While out of my league, certainly a holy grail to those who can afford them. Each is one of what, 220?
Some of the all-time great flame wars, here in BF and elsewhere, involve Confente and his frames. It turns out that the Masi-California world and its flotsam and jetsam spawned a soap opera saga of epic proportions.
Fortunately, threads about old Cinellis spawn only legit questions from people who truly want to know more about then (like some of the posts in this thread), heavy sighing (ditto) and keyboards ruined by uncontrolled drooling.
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