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Old 07-04-11, 10:29 AM
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Starting my Cilo build

I acquired a well used and loved Cilo touring bike last summer in Fort Collins, while I was looking for a bike for my son. The equipment on the bike for the price I paid made it a steal, but I ended up deciding to build it for myself and I got me son a much newer Novarra Forza, since he seemed to be more attracted to the newer technology and I didn't want to trap him in my C&V paradigm.
The Cilo was obviously well used & well cared for for most of its life, with some obvious non-original but high quality components, such as Shimano 600 RD, Suntour Superbe FD, and Shimano sidepull brakes. I have no information about the vintage of the bike, but going by the C-Record hubs, Rigida rims, and Campy shifters & assuming that these are original, I figure it's from the mid-70s (which is my sweet spot anyway).

Here's a thread on the teardown from last summer. https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/676092-Just-snagged-a-funky-old-Cilo-touring-bike-off-CL-tell-me-how-I-did-(pics)

After the teardown I boxed up and stored all the parts, since I was anticipating a cross country move, which happened earlier this year. The frame had been already repainted in a fairly bush league manner, but at least it was free of rust & dents. So I had it powder coated red, piggy backing on someone else's bike project, so I got an excellent deal (free, can't beat that - Thanks Chris!).

Now that I'm somewhat settled in, I found time to start the buildup yesterday. The frame was said to be Reynolds 531, and I believe it. Dropouts are Campy. On my bathroom scale the frame came in at 4.6lb and the fork at 1.6lb, less headset & BB, for a total of 6.2lb according to my scale. Since the scale resolution is 0.2lb, worst case is maybe 6.6lb?

Photos of frame, fork and all the farther I got yesterday below. I have all the components for the build, which are all European except for the freewheel. Partial list: NR RD & FD to match the shifters, Mafac Competition brakes (with Weinmann levers for now) & Belleri stem with Belleri randonneur bar. Bike will be dressed with full touring kit, less fenders, including front pannier rack & vintage Jim Blackburn rear rack, and will go into commuting service along with the other bikes in my commuting rota.
I'll update this thread with more pics as work progresses.







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Old 07-04-11, 12:07 PM
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Are you going to put decals on it? From your parts list it sounds like it will be a lovely bike and be a grand tourer. The only thing I would suggest, and this is only a minor point, is to look for an old Campy Rally rear derailleur. I really like the 1st generation Rally's as they seem to have the same charm as the Nuovo Record RD's.

Anyway, I will look forward to the re-built Cilo.
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Thanks! I do not have decals, and don't know what vintage or appearance to look for, so I was going to leave it generic.
Do you have a pic or a link for a Rally RD? And what is the basis of your recommendation?
Here are some pics of progess as of yesterday:













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The sharp-eyed among us may notice that my standard of polishing & cleaning is by no means at the Khatfull level. Since this bike's destiny (as with all my bikes) is to work for a living, mainly in commuting service, I can't justify the time & effort for a fully blown Khatfulling job on the chrome & aluminum bits. In fact, I coined a term for my procedure, I call it Khat-half-assed.

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Your frame reminds me of a 1970's English built light/fast touring bike. it has a flat fork crown, Campy long and eyeleted dropouts, no clamp fitting for the front derailleur, no guides for the rear brake cable and rear brake centrepull braze-ons. The seat and head angles appear to be a little relaxed. I wonder what these angles are? The rear stays are long and the front rake looks long which is conducive to a more comfortable and stable ride.

I think your frame was constructed with cyclo-touring in mind.

If you search VeloBase.com for a Campagnolo 3450, Rally (first generation) you will see a great photo of the derailleur. There were two versions of the derailleur but the first version really looked spectacular.

Not a great photo of the Campagnolo Rally rear derailleur but this is one I had on a bike that was very similar to yours:



NOTE: There would be nothing wrong in using the Campy. Nuovo Record rear derailleur though. It would suit your bike set-up as you now have it, especially with that smaller 5 speed (from what I can see) block you have on the rear wheel. The Rally rear derailleur would be more conducive to a block with a wider range of sprocket sizes as in the photo above.

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Thanks again for the input. I agree, the frame appears to be very well configured for my needs. As for the Rally derailleur, the 13-15-17-19-21 block is specifically selected to go with the 42 & 53 chainrings to give me 7 well spaced ratios that cover my needs for commuting. I have no reason to doubt that the steps, the range and the wrap of my setup are within the C-NR's capacity.
In short, for my needs, I value almost everything about traditional touring bikes except the gearing (I exchanged the 14-32 cluster of my Grand Jubilé for a 14-21 unit within a few months of my initial purchase of the bike as new, and soon thereafter changed the Cyclone GS for a short cage Shimano Crane, since the GS looked a little silly hanging down there with only 16 teeth to wrap. My GJ now sports a "more correct" short cage Cyclone).
But I really do appreciate the interest and the input. BTW, I see you're from across the big pond, so greetings from the Great Lakes!
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Here's a pic of where I got to yesterday. Now in a ridable state, took a short test drive on the gravel road at my house, everything seemed fine. Goal is to add bar tape & other finishing touches next Saturday AM, and take it for a shakedown run. Then add racks & panniers and take it commuting the following week. I'll get detail shots of all the equipment next weekend.
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Excellent work.

My Cilo project goes into the PC this week.
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Well Done. There's nothing like a red bike.
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Thanks fellas Robbie, did you post your Cilo bike at some point? I don't recall seeing it.
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