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1975 (?) Raleigh Royale - Quite pic heavy

Old 07-18-11, 02:51 AM
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1975 (?) Raleigh Royale - Quite pic heavy

Hello everyone, new member here.

My name is Niko and I live in Finland. I'm quite new to vintage bicycles, but I'm eager to learn new stuff. I'm also very interested in classic and vintage cars.

I have a few questions about my newest bike. It is supposed to be a 1975 Raleigh Royale. Do any of you know anything about those bikes? They don't seem to be too common, since I can't find anything on the internet.

It's got Milremo handlebars, Huret Allvit 5-speed gears, Sturmey Archer rims and hubs, Original Brooks B5N saddle, GB "88" brakes. It seems to be all original, except for the pedals. I've changed the handlebar tape to new, white cork tape, since it is much more comfortable than the old plastic tape that was on the bike.

My brother has got a similar bike to mine, except it is a 1969 Royale. It is pretty much the same bike, except that it's got a ten-speed Simplex, and the bike is a metallic red colour.

I'll add some photos to help identifying it.

Some pics came out quite good, others not so good, sorry about the bad ones.

And the pictures lie a little, the bike isn't blue, it's more a turqoise-ish colour.

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Old 07-18-11, 06:49 AM
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Nice bike, Niko! It looks much more like a 1960s build to me rather than 1975. I had an early 60s Raleigh Gran Sport and a Record and both had very similar frame features to yours. The components on your Royale are pretty much what was on the Record.

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That's gorgeous Niko! I love the color too.

The pedals look like later 70's replacements, but look sort of cool on your bike with the color scheme.

Before I rode it anywhere - I'd just make very sure that it had fresh bearings and lube, new rubber and cables too.
That bike has been ridden hard and long - in LOW gear yet - but greatly cared for.
(Check out the big cog on the freewheel - Likely you'll need a new one and a chain, but then it will ride like a new bike.)

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Pretty, but.... is the fork bent, or is it just the camera angle? Also, in the second pic if you look in the reflection off the top tube, the reflection appears to be discontinuous just behind the head lug, possibly another indication of a crash. What does the downtube look like? Is it bulged out on the bottom just behind the head lug?
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Hi everyone!

Thanks for all the kind words. I definately need to check out the big cog and the chain, never noticed how bad they look.

The fork is not bent, it is just the camera angle, and the top tube is all in shape too, that is also a trick of the camera.


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Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
Pretty, but.... is the fork bent, or is it just the camera angle? Also, in the second pic if you look in the reflection off the top tube, the reflection appears to be discontinuous just behind the head lug, possibly another indication of a crash. What does the downtube look like? Is it bulged out on the bottom just behind the head lug?
+1....looks bent to me too.........
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I've seen cameras curve straight tubes so I believe it's just a camera thing.
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Yep, thanks for believing me. Its not bent, I've checked.
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I've seen cameras curve straight tubes so I believe it's just a camera thing.

+1
Either that or both wheels are egg-shaped.

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^ Wall's bent.
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Looks like distortion from using a wide focal length.
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yeah, the wall makes it look bent. Now we've got that sorted.

Back to the original question:

anyone know anything about this bike?

Getting a little tired about trying to find faults..
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Old 07-19-11, 01:14 PM
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Seriously, no one?
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Getting a little tired about trying to find faults..
it's perfect....the greatest bike ever built.....I don't know they continued to make bikes after this one.....the Tour should be filled with bikes just like this........I'd like to have this bike's children......
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What's your question? It looks like a 60's bike.
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Update..

I've found out more about my bike; according to the Headbadge, the logo styling on my bike was used only 1969-1972, so it should be older than I thought. When I think of it, it's almost exactly the same as my brother's 1969 Royale.


The day before yesterday, we (me and my brother) went out for a long, 50-mile ride to our summerhouse. For the first 30 or so kilometres, we averaged 35 kilometers-per-hour, which is about 21.75 mph. Quite good, I think!
Of course the speed dropped at the end, but over the entire trip we averaged 28kph, which is 17.4 kph.

I have to add that our vintage Raleighs ran perfectly smooth! Didn't have any problems, except for my chain dropping off once, and a small stone jamming between the brake pad and the rear rim. What a strange thing to happen!
All of a sudden, the bike started to rattle and shake and squeak, and I had to stop and check. At first, I didn't even see the stone since I never thought of anything like that to happen.

Nice bikes, anyway.
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That's an impressive speed--well done!

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You guys are strong! You must be riding other bikes, too.
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Thanks!

well, not any other racing bikes, just regular (old styled) city bikes.
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Looks like a pre-1973 machine to me; more likely than not, pre-1967.

That said, the frame and fork are bent - very slightly, but it's there. The fork damage isn't as severe as the frame - and it isn't a case of camera distortion, for the kink in the top and down tubes (just behind the headtube) are visible quite plainly here:

Looks like an easy one for the Park HTS-1.

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man, what is up with the "fork/frame is bent" thing ?!

I think I know if it's bent or not. I have measured it and it is not bent. It just looks that way.
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Hey, don't take it as an insult; cool down. If it is, it is; and if it isn't, it isn't. Sheesh.

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I just bought one in yellow, with identical decals and components (except for plastic mudguards & metal rack). For some reason Royales seem quite common here in Finland, but not that popular elsewhere? Dating these bikes would be interesting, but I'm unable to find a serial number. Interestingly the "88" brakes were only built in 1969-70, so our bikes can't be older or much newer than that. VeloBase.com - Component: GB 88 The lettering on the decals was changed in 1973, so 1969-72 it is.

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