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blaise_f 07-18-11 07:19 PM

Old Fashioned
 
Per request, I suppose I can toss some pictures up here. I didn't feel hyjacking the thread about bags (that had already been hyjacked by Zaphod and me) would be in good taste, so why not start something for old fashioned goodness anew? We don't see a lot of pre-war (first) stuff on these forums, but they do pop up from time to time (saw an early Rudge in the appraisal just recently). Though this thread will likely be ghost-town-ish, it'll be the home in my heart :love:.

56" 83 Columbia Expert "project"
http://bygonebicyclist.com/images/my...a/IMG_2010.JPG
http://bygonebicyclist.com/images/my...a/IMG_2017.JPG

48" Kennedy
http://bygonebicyclist.com/images/20...5/IMG_0329.jpg
http://bygonebicyclist.com/images/20...0/IMG_0399.jpg

50" Spillane Eagle
http://bygonebicyclist.com/images/my...e/IMG_2263.JPG
http://bygonebicyclist.com/images/my...e/IMG_2265.JPG
http://bygonebicyclist.com/images/my...e/IMG_2148.JPG

Zaphod Beeblebrox 07-18-11 07:27 PM

Oh my god that is so cool.

I've always wanted to try some 19th century 2 wheelers. Its strictly fixed cranks on those right? no freewheeling.

Zaphod Beeblebrox 07-18-11 07:28 PM

http://bygonebicyclist.com/images/20...0/IMG_0399.jpg
Did you tour on this?!?!

-holiday76 07-18-11 07:31 PM

i passed a guy coming through my town (i'm on a major touring thorofair so I see them fairly frequently) touring on one of these.

I also recently passed a guy touring on something like this:

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townn...3167.image.jpg

snarkypup 07-18-11 07:35 PM

Very, very cool. You just blew my 7 year-old's mind.

blaise_f 07-18-11 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox (Post 12948621)

I rode that specific bike many thousands of miles. Winter 2009 through Spring 2010 I did many short tours on the Kennedy, around Arizona. Spring 2010 I rode it from San Francisco to Seattle, where I trained home and sold the bike. The goal was Alaska, but that bike wasn't proper for it. I then rode it on RAGBRAI the same summer. The Expert will see many fun times. I'm hoping to pick up a light roadster to race on, soon.

blaise_f 07-18-11 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by -holiday76 (Post 12948637)
i passed a guy coming through my town (i'm on a major touring thorofair so I see them fairly frequently) touring on one of these.

I also recently passed a guy touring on something like this:

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townn...3167.image.jpg

There's a book and movie (and possibly a blog) about a guy who rode a tall bike from northern Africa to South Africa, and documented the whole thing on video. In late 2010, or late 2011 he released a movie of it at the BFF. I think he and his friend were sponsored by Surly. He started on a Long Haul Trucker, and decided that was 'boring', and moved on to the tall bike, filming people's reactions along the way.

blaise_f 07-18-11 08:46 PM

I meant to add this picture in the first post, so here it is. RAGBRAI bound; Eagle and Motoconfort.

http://bygonebicyclist.com/images/20...i/IMG_2241.JPG

Velognome 07-18-11 10:20 PM

Like the Vette and all....but the Eagle "Iz Da Bomb"!

Zaphod Beeblebrox 07-18-11 10:26 PM

what year is the Kennedy?

blaise_f 07-18-11 10:41 PM

Lowell Kennedy, a machinist who passed away some years ago, made replica ordinaries from probably the 70s until the 90s. Dates on them are pretty much unknown (but you were probably most curious if it was from the 1800s, I'd assume :P).

Zaphod Beeblebrox 07-18-11 10:57 PM

I had my suspicions about its age. Very cool.

They aren't pneumatic tires, are they?

blaise_f 07-18-11 11:57 PM

"Solid". Hard-tire bikes' tyres are kept tensioned by a wire inside the rubber (which is hallow, for lack of a better term), which is either brazed or twisted, then released.

The Kennedy had a much more authentic saddle, originally, but a building a mount for a modern Brooks was easiest solution for long touring (and allowed saddle swapping if I preferred). To an untrained eye (or without very largely detailed photos), it is hard to tell one apart. I suppose it's like first getting into road bikes; they all look the same, sort of, at first; poor example though. See below:

http://bygonebicyclist.com/images/pe...hing/penny.jpg
http://bygonebicyclist.com/images/20...9/IMG_6946.jpg

jptwins 07-19-11 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox (Post 12948621)


SF to seattle? that's pretty badass! wow!

ColonelJLloyd 07-19-11 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by blaise_f (Post 12948575)

This is one of the most beautiful bicycles I have ever seen. Wow.

Velognome 07-19-11 07:09 AM

:lol:Forks backwards!:eek::roflmao2:
:D:roflmao2::lol::roflmao2::D

Didn't know Walmart still assembled Penny Farthings?

(i'm having a bit of fun!)

Bianchigirll 07-19-11 07:16 AM

great thread and fabulous pics!! I never gave thought to people doing anything much more than riding about town (maybe promenading is a better word) or racing on Ordinaries. Then after it was recomended somewhere on BF I read "The Lost Cyclist" and realized that for a whole generation or more these bikes were actually a huge source of not only local transport but a resource for traveling great distance for both work and recreation.

great pics!. there is a repro one of these at a local shop, one of these days i may have to hop on it just say I did ride one.


btw the rack on the split window is cool too

Italuminium 07-19-11 08:08 AM

I love these ordinaries. A local LBS has an ariel in a bad shape hanging above his door, makes me want to save it. I'd love the ride on one day. Bucket list stuff.

blaise_f 07-19-11 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 12950447)
great thread and fabulous pics!! I never gave thought to people doing anything much more than riding about town (maybe promenading is a better word) or racing on Ordinaries. Then after it was recomended somewhere on BF I read "The Lost Cyclist" and realized that for a whole generation or more these bikes were actually a huge source of not only local transport but a resource for traveling great distance for both work and recreation.

great pics!. there is a repro one of these at a local shop, one of these days i may have to hop on it just say I did ride one.


btw the rack on the split window is cool too

The Lost Cyclist, Around the World on a Bicycle and 10,000 Miles on a Bicycle are incredible reads about the era. I suggest every single one of them to any cyclist. You should ride one - they're a blast.


Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd (Post 12950318)
This is one of the most beautiful bicycles I have ever seen. Wow.

Good ol' American engineering. I do have to agree with you. All the ordinaries, as simple the mechanics are, are engineered amazingly. All the pieces of the original bikes are just so clean and finely crafted. The fact that they had very little in terms of machinery and still crafted these the way they did is simply amazing. Here's some original Columbia bearing housings.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2dv7ho5.jpg


Originally Posted by Italuminium (Post 12950695)
I love these ordinaries. A local LBS has an ariel in a bad shape hanging above his door, makes me want to save it. I'd love the ride on one day. Bucket list stuff.

Ariels aren't all that common. I'd be trying to poach this if there wasn't a great deal of water in the way :). Mark that off the list - get to it!

Italuminium 07-19-11 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by blaise_f (Post 12951335)
]Ariels aren't all that common. I'd be trying to poach this if there wasn't a great deal of water in the way :). Mark that off the list - get to it!

ah well, the entire thing is coated in black paint (house paint or something like it), cm's thick, and I'm sure the entire wheel needs to be replaced. The only place I can think of that has an ordinary is the cycle museum in Nijmegen, but they probably don't do loaners to broke and shady students like me. and I don't have the income to buy one myself, IF I were to find one that is! But one can always hope.

wahoonc 07-19-11 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox (Post 12948621)
Did you tour on this?!?!

This guy went around the world! A long ride on a big wheel.
22,026 miles (35,447 km) over 924 days from May 1, 2006 to November 9, 2008. Awesome read! :thumb:

Aaron :)

Italuminium 07-19-11 11:31 AM

http://nos.nl/video/248072-hoge-birace-in-londen.html

This. Is. Awesome.

blaise_f 07-19-11 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 12951708)
This guy went around the world! A long ride on a big wheel.
22,026 miles (35,447 km) over 924 days from May 1, 2006 to November 9, 2008. Awesome read! :thumb:

Aaron :)

Joff is a wonderful guy, and obvious-accomplished athlete. World tours on strange things (including penny farthings) have occurred in the past - he took it to the next level by visiting places like Taj and Everest Base Camp. He's also been awarded Freedom of the City in London (because of his journey). He's in the video linked below, racing in his pith helmet.


Originally Posted by Italuminium (Post 12951871)

It was fun to see those guys "along-side" a modern race. There are still ordinary races; one in Knutsford (every 10 years) and one in Evansdale (annually) - and there's talk of a new one in the USA soon. Like in the video, once you ride one, you're hooked. There's a gent in CZ, Mesicek, who makes Rudge replicas. I'd imagine you could get the chance to ride one in the area with a little effort. He does gorgeous work.

http://www.mesicek.cz/pics/home/02vkolo2.jpg

Mike Mills 07-19-11 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox (Post 12948615)
Oh my god that is so cool.

I've always wanted to try some 19th century 2 wheelers. Its strictly fixed cranks on those right? no freewheeling.

The newest fad in fixed gears is coming soon.

WNG 07-19-11 01:06 PM

Must agree with the Colonel, that Eagle is wicked cool. Never seen one like it. Thanks for sharing!

Just read a bike shop in Tuscon got robbed recently and their penny farthing was one of the items stolen.
:(

noglider 07-19-11 01:26 PM

Agreed. I rode one for a couple of hundred feet. Scary. I think having panniers on it makes it much safer, moving the center of gravity farther behind the front axle.

The short cranks bothered me, and the front wheel pulled left and right as I cranked. It was basically torque steer! Do you end up pedaling smoothly and not torquing hard?

blaise_f 07-19-11 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by WNG (Post 12952426)
Must agree with the Colonel, that Eagle is wicked cool. Never seen one like it. Thanks for sharing!

Just read a bike shop in Tuscon got robbed recently and their penny farthing was one of the items stolen.
:(

Ordinary Bike Shop? I don't think that bike was in any rideable condition; I could be wrong though. In all honesty, I'm shocked it took that long for it to be ripped off - it was locked up outside their shop to a gate. Sucks either way, though. That's a great shop with *very* nice owner/wrenches.



Originally Posted by noglider (Post 12952539)
Agreed. I rode one for a couple of hundred feet. Scary. I think having panniers on it makes it much safer, moving the center of gravity farther behind the front axle.

The short cranks bothered me, and the front wheel pulled left and right as I cranked. It was basically torque steer! Do you end up pedaling smoothly and not torquing hard?

Panniers makes it way worse, just FYI. No only are you pulling that weight, but getting on and off goes from being a breeze, to being an Olympic feat of leg swinging and jumping. The further-back center of gravity does allow for use of the spoon brake more than you would normally, which was nice going down HW1/HW101 in California (hint: it's steep!).

The cranks are short, but you get used to it. Riding an ordinary, while being similar to riding a bicycle, is a completely different monster. You have to relearn a brand new pedal stroke, which makes the wheel go straight on its own. Once you change, it rides a straight line no problem, hands or not. When mashing up monster grades, you find yourself pulling the opposite handlebar of your pedal stroke toward you, gaining more leverage, and keeping the wheel straight, while still shimmying up the hill.

The Eagle however, is completely different than anything. It's like expecting to ride a bike, but actually sailing a river raft with a tomato plant as the sail. Maybe it's not that bad, but you get the picture.

ftwelder 07-19-11 04:13 PM

The guy who built my antique was EH Corson who also built the Star cycle which is somewhat similar to the Eagle. I have two pre-1900 machines but no ordinary yet. This one is 1898-1902 or so. I still need six spoke nipples and to finish the saddle.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5264/...a9ec1db975.jpg
27 004 by barnstormerbikes, on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/...28b37b528a.jpg
17 049 by barnstormerbikes, on Flickr

snarkypup 07-19-11 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by ftwelder (Post 12953434)

That stuff looks oddly like medieval torture equipment. So many spikey things!


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