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Old 07-19-11, 11:08 PM
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Can you tell me if a bike like this exists?

Looking at the Centurion pseudo-650B bike from another thread, I want to do something similar. I need help in finding out if the frame I'm thinking of even exists though.

1. Mixte style
2. Fits ~26"/650B/650C variant wheels
3. Lugged
4. Preferably something not hi-ten. CroMo and up.

Seems simple but I'm actually having a hard time thinking of a model or brand that fits this description. I know the SOMA 650B mixte exists but I'd prefer something C&V. Any suggestions?
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Bridgestone, Peugeot, Raleigh, Panasonic, Motobecane, Univega, et. al. made chromo-lugged mixties. All came with 27-inch wheels. Some may or may not manage 650B. 26"/650C is not as likely.
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Your best bet may be to get a good mixte frame and have canti mounts brazed on. You could also use extreme long reach side pull calipers, but you may sacrifice tire width. Some good old long reach Weinmann/Dia-Compe center pulls may do the trick. You could also try a step through MTB frame, but it's no mixte. Unfortunately, finding a C&V cromo mixte is extremely hard.
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Originally Posted by Veloh
I know the SOMA 650B mixte exists but I'd prefer something C&V.
The SOMA mixte is a great bike, and can be fitted with 650B wheels, but it was not designed for it.

As stated above, most of the lugged mixtes you're going to find were designed for 27" wheels and had generous clearance for them. You should be able to fit 700c x 35mm tires AND fenders on many of them. If you insist on 650B you're going to have a much harder time finding a suitable frame. Note that if you convert a mixte designed for 27" wheels to 650B you're likely to have BB drop issues.
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Early Motobecane (actually branded Motoconfort at the time) had 650bs, as did some Bob Jacksons, Automoto, Bertin and likely any other French tour / rando made from the 40s to the late 60s. All these bikes would be lugged as well.
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Originally Posted by realestvin7
Your best bet may be to get a good mixte frame and have canti mounts brazed on. You could also use extreme long reach side pull calipers, but you may sacrifice tire width.
What about Tektro's new long-reach dual-pivots for large tire widths? Either the Tektro C326 or the C324 should have enough reach if the 800A doesn't - perhaps too much reach.



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Originally Posted by blaise_f
I don't see a picture of a woman operating these shifters. That might be NSFW.
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Originally Posted by noglider
I don't see a picture of a woman operating these shifters. That might be NSFW.
There's a reason she's not pictured!

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Originally Posted by noglider
I don't see a picture of a woman operating these shifters. That might be NSFW.
Diamond Dave knows what's up.

Yeah, we're runnin' a little bit hot tonight
I can barely see the road from the heat comin' off
know what I'm sayin'
uhh, I reach down between my legs n' shift into big/small

She's runnin', I'm flyin'
Right behind in the rearview mirror now
Got the fearin', power steerin'
Pistons poppin', ain't no stoppin' now
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Does a bike exist? In the indefinite sense, yes. I own several. Perhaps you meant: Does the bike exist? In the definite sense, umm, that depends on which bike you are referring to. If you can point to the particular bike you mean then most certainly, yes, it does. If you can't, well then there is no way we can know, is there?

Sorry about hijacking the thread for this bit of silly humor, but what the heck, it was hijacked already! I'm still trying to work out all the things NSFW might stand for. However the point about those shifters is pretty clear.
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Originally Posted by jimmuller
Does a bike exist? In the indefinite sense, yes. I own several. Perhaps you meant: Does the bike exist? In the definite sense, umm, that depends on which bike you are referring to. If you can point to the particular bike you mean then most certainly, yes, it does. If you can't, well then there is no way we can know, is there?

Sorry about hijacking the thread for this bit of silly humor, but what the heck, it was hijacked already! I'm still trying to work out all the things NSFW might stand for. However the point about those shifters is pretty clear.
No saddle for wimps.



Just kidding, it's "Not safe for work".
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Originally Posted by balindamood
Bridgestone, Peugeot, Raleigh, Panasonic, Motobecane, Univega, et. al. made chromo-lugged mixties. All came with 27-inch wheels. Some may or may not manage 650B. 26"/650C is not as likely.
Peugeot?
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Lotus Excelle and Challenger models came with high quality DB CroMo lugged frames (Tange Champion or Tange 900/1000). Although, only with 27" (early models) or 700c (later models) wheels. The Excelle Mixte isn't too difficult to find as it was one of Lotus' most popular bikes.
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Originally Posted by Veloh
Looking at the Centurion pseudo-650B bike from another thread, I want to do something similar. I need help in finding out if the frame I'm thinking of even exists though.

1. Mixte style
2. Fits ~26"/650B/650C variant wheels
3. Lugged
4. Preferably something not hi-ten. CroMo and up.

Seems simple but I'm actually having a hard time thinking of a model or brand that fits this description. I know the SOMA 650B mixte exists but I'd prefer something C&V. Any suggestions?

Rivendell Betty Foy. Not C & V but there might be some vintage French bikes that fit your description.

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https://www.cycleexif.com/j-p-weigle-650b-mixte






https://prollyisnotprobably.com/2010/...650b_mixte.php

Read about converting a Nishiki to 650B
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rickris...57603580820989

Wow! an Oscar Egg mixte.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...gg-Swoop-Mixte

more 650B mixte sightings. they do exist.
https://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/201...ixte-parisian/

Japanese 650B mixte

https://www.thevelocafe.com/Ebisu/Ebisu.html

A whole lot of 650B mixte goodness here:
https://fiveprime.org/hivemind/Tags/6...te/Interesting

good ol' Peugeot mixte

https://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...e5f4df777b42fa

A-Train will make you a custom 650B mixte
https://atraincycles.com/touringcity-bikes/


You've got 5 days to win this one on eBay

https://cgi.ebay.com/40s-50s-vintage-...#ht_500wt_1413

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There is some very serious porn in this thread. Geepers.
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Originally Posted by cudak888
What about Tektro's new long-reach dual-pivots for large tire widths? Either the Tektro C326 or the C324 should have enough reach if the 800A doesn't - perhaps too much reach.



This has turned into a mixte-lust-a-thon...Thanks alot guys.

Kurt, do you think the brakes will enable enough reach for 27" to 650C or 700c to 650C?
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Originally Posted by noglider
I don't see a picture of a woman operating these shifters. That might be NSFW.
I think it would look just as wrong with a guy. He'd either look really happy being on a mixte or furiously trying to get that itch.
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Originally Posted by realestvin7
Your best bet may be to get a good mixte frame and have canti mounts brazed on. You could also use extreme long reach side pull calipers, but you may sacrifice tire width. Some good old long reach Weinmann/Dia-Compe center pulls may do the trick. You could also try a step through MTB frame, but it's no mixte. Unfortunately, finding a C&V cromo mixte is extremely hard.
I was thinking braze-on's too but I'm worried the BB might be too low. A mountain bike would have enough clearance but not sure about a mixte/road.
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That. Is. Gorgeous. That. I. Need.
FYI, this is more or less going to be a gift so as much as I'd like to buy something from Rene, it may not be the best use of currency. Plus, I want to repaint if possible.
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That Oscar Egg mixte is the bee's f-ing knees. The red one is a step-thru, not a mixte.

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Originally Posted by Veloh
Kurt, do you think the brakes will enable enough reach for 27" to 650C or 700c to 650C?
If anything, they may be too much. I've yet to see either in person.

I really have to try them both out

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Actually, I might lean a little toward curved downtubes too. Not exactly what I like but the curves are certainly attractive:
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