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Old 07-20-11, 05:39 PM
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More Ebay silliness...

Some people - you can't beat knowledge into them with a stick. I won't bother (well, not yet anyway) posting this seller's reply to my "this is not a 70s Colnago Super" message, but I will invite you all to make your own determination whether or not my opinion is merited.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Just way too much going on here to list - but at a bare minimum: what in the heck is going on with that BB shell cutout?! And where are the derailleur cable guides? From the position of the chainstay cable stop there should be a couple brazed guides on the bottom of the shell. I think this had a plastic guide and that was used as a "guide" by whomever amateurishly chopped that mushroom out of the shell.

Sheesh...

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Old 07-20-11, 05:40 PM
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What a trainwreck...good grief
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Old 07-20-11, 06:21 PM
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Yeah, saw that yesterday, sad.
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Old 07-20-11, 08:46 PM
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hmmmm, from a distance i like it

but that's where my affection for this frame ends.

someone has put a lot of effort into it though, because i'm willing to bet it didn't look like that a month ago when it was repainted
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
but I will invite you all to make your own determination whether or not my opinion is merited.
It may be merited, but you can't expect the seller to be happy to hear it....or care.
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Old 07-20-11, 08:56 PM
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Looks like broccoli. Colnago Super Broccoli. It's going to be a rude awakening for whoever buys it.

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Old 07-20-11, 09:02 PM
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Or a chef's hat:

Or mushroom cloud:
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Looks like broccoli. Colnago Super Broccoli. It's going to be a rude awakening for whoever buys it.

You can't spell Alamo without lmao.
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Old 07-20-11, 09:18 PM
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I just enjoy the hyperbole. The one and only worthy Colnago frame on the planet...
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Here is his response to my informing him it was not a 70s Colnago Super (note that one cannot make out a clover cutout in the headlug in any of the pics provided in the auction):

"Hi,
judging to your response you have no clue about Colnago frames! I am into racingbikes over 30 years and this frame is 100% original with Colnago panto chrome headlug and rear dropouts with Colnago panto etc.! You should OPEN your eyes and LQQK closely at the pictures before making comments! Go study again and stop anoying people who ARE knowledgeable!"

Never underestimate the the power of self-delusion when money is at stake - and that includes the buyer who's already decided this thing is worth over $200.

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Old 07-20-11, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
Here is his response to my informing him it was not a 70s Colnago Super (note that one cannot make out a clover cutout in the headlug in any of the pics provided in the auction):

"Hi,
judging to your response you have no clue about Colnago frames! I am into racingbikes over 30 years and this frame is 100% original with Colnago panto chrome headlug and rear dropouts with Colnago panto etc.! You should OPEN your eyes and LQQK closely at the pictures before making comments! Go study again and stop anoying people who ARE knowledgeable!"

Never underestimate the the power of self-delusion when money is at stake - and that includes the buyer who's already decided this thing is worth over $200.

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Anyone notice that the shift cable stop under the chainstay has no matching restraint for the cable under the bottom bracket shell?

Small chance the damage / removal of the cable guides under the shell may have revealed the "unique" cut out shape. Just providing the benefit of the doubt where the doubt just is so staggering.
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Old 07-20-11, 10:01 PM
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isn't there an option on ebay to let you flag an item like this, as a fake or so, like on craigslist where you flag spam and such?
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Small chance the damage / removal of the cable guides under the shell may have revealed the "unique" cut out shape. Just providing the benefit of the doubt where the doubt just is so staggering.
Good point; in my opening post, I noted the absence of guides on the bottom of the BB shell. I simply didn't make the possible connection to the funky cutout shape. I mean, the top of the cutout looks nearly correct.

However, if this is indeed a 70s Super in original spec:

Two sets of water bottle bosses?
Under BB cable routing?
Shouldn't those be Prugnat "S" type headlugs?
What kind of seatstay caps are those, anyway?
Braze-on front derailleur boss?
Fully-sloping fork crown with integrated stiffening tangs?

The dead-giveaway is the treatment at the rear dropout/stay connection. That's early 80s at the earliest. The only thing that says 70s about this is the lack of braze-on top tube cable guides. And with all the extra stuff on this I'm surprised at the absence of those.

I wonder what this really is; furthermore, I'd love to see a closeup of the seatstay caps. From the pics, they almost appear to be wrap-arounds!!

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SO bear with me, but does Colnago cut out the bottom bracket like that on their bikes?
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Originally Posted by mapleleafs-13 View Post
isn't there an option on ebay to let you flag an item like this, as a fake or so, like on craigslist where you flag spam and such?
Dunno. I did, however, like the old days when you could contact a bidder/prospective buyer and let them know about things like this - at least to let them know what they should ask the seller if nothing else. Sadly, Ebay is more anonymous than ever...

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Originally Posted by dahut View Post
SO bear with me, but does Colnago cut out the bottom bracket like that on their bikes?
Compare his to this (1983 Colnago Mexico):



Or this (1974 Colnago Super):



I know of no other clover-shaped cutout design ever to make it to any Colnago frame other than these two. Both are pretty distinct, I'd say.

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