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Old 07-21-11, 10:22 PM
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Cotton Tape on Modern Bikes?

Anybody have any opinions on the matter? Or, might I more accurately ask - any pictures?

And of course by modern I mean steel with a modern group.

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Old 07-21-11, 10:59 PM
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I like it. I like to give it about three coats of shellac, this leaves it sealed from dirt and with a low gloss leathery appearance, as opposed to the more common 5-7 coats that gives the shiny glazed donut effect. Sorry, no pics of modern stuff on cotton.
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My hands don't get along anymore with cotton tape on any bike I actually want to ride more than a block--old or new. Looks nice, though.
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I'm currently riding some Fizik stuff that really sucks, so I'm looking to replace it. Double wrapped cotton seems like it would still look classy, but then I guess I might as well go cork?
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go for double wrapped cotton! i did and love it - i couldn't get on with Fizik either...
I thing cork feels too spongy
here's my 1989 Dave Russell 653 with Record 10 speed and Brown tressorex fabric tape.(x2)

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Anybody have any opinions on the matter? Or, might I more accurately ask - any pictures? And of course by modern I mean steel with a modern group.
Four part (roll above and roll below on both sides) cotton tape on my Dawes Briercliffe:
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Personally, I like cork over cotton - adds just enough cush, and ages more gracefully than cotton.

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It looks nice, but I don't like the lack of "cush". Maybe if you did 2 or 3 layers?
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Maybe if you did 2 or 3 layers?
It increases the diameter, but doesn't make it any cushier.
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Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd View Post
It increases the diameter, but doesn't make it any cushier.
This does both.
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I'll take four feet of the "big boss" in fuschia, please.
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Fizik ftw! Not a fan of the cotton...

I do like cork + shellac though.
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Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd View Post
It increases the diameter, but doesn't make it any cushier.
Gotcha. For my money, it's leather every time. If I'm doing something on the cheap, I guess I'd go cork.
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I've thought about doing this, too. I think I'll try cotton over the existing, worn out cork on my main bike.
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I've thought about doing this, too. I think I'll try cotton over the existing, worn out cork on my main bike.
I did Cotton over Cork on one of my bikes, and I loved it. It had the squishiness of cork with the softness of the cotton. I enjoyed the feeling so much I could never bring myself to shellac it...it just felt too good.
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^^ That wheel base is ridiculous.
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Through the years, I went from Cello (Benotto), to double wrap cotton (Velox?), to Vinyl padded (Ambrosio, Pelten, then Samson), to cork (mostly Cinelli).
They seem to be a prgression of improvement in feel/comfort that just got better and better. I really could not see why one would revert back to cotton after all these years, if anything, it would just have to be a decision not for better riding comfort, but just (Period correct?) aesthetics. I never tried the whole shellac thing with the cotton tape either, but I don't think that improves comfort at all, as a shellacked cotton wrapped bar must feel as hard as rigid plastic, but just preserves a look.

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Through the years, I went from Cello (Benotto), to double wrap cotton (Velox?), to Vinyl padded (Ambrosio, Pelten, then Samson), to cork (mostly Cinelli).
They seem to be a prgression of improvement in feel/comfort that just got better and better. I really could not see why one would revert back to cotton after all these years, if anything, it would just have to be a decision not for better riding comfort, but just (Period correct?) aesthetics. I never tried the whole shellac thing with the cotton tape either, but I don't think that improves comfort at all, as a shellacked cotton wrapped bar must feel as hard as rigid plastic, but just preserves a look.

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I would do it for texture. I sometimes prefer riding without gloves but I hate how slippery most tapes are when you have sweaty hands. I'm hoping the cotton tape would be better, and over cork it would still be comfortable.
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Touring bike , went thru elaborate reshaping ,'Off the front' grip shapes ,
neoprene wet suit stuff and cotton tape, made a nice smooth flat-ish platform
on my Randonneur bend handlebars, for a comfortable hand surface.
added a second layer when the first got frayed.
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Cotton helps w/ grip, but not so much with shock absorbtion. I guess it depends on how well the rest of the bike absorbs shock, but I like the look and feel of cotton tape. You can always get cushion with a nice pair of gloves.
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I did Cotton over Cork on one of my bikes, and I loved it. It had the squishiness of cork with the softness of the cotton. I enjoyed the feeling so much I could never bring myself to shellac it...it just felt too good.
I like this idea. In the end, when the cotton wears out, you still have the cork base. Nice!
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Originally Posted by oldmuthariley View Post
go for double wrapped cotton! i did and love it - i couldn't get on with Fizik either...
I thing cork feels too spongy
here's my 1989 Dave Russell 653 with Record 10 speed and Brown tressorex fabric tape.(x2)


Pretty bike.

Love to ride that one for sure.

As for cotton tape, we go for Newbaums.

Along with a little cork handlebar tape underlayment, and hemp twine/ 3 coats of shellac.

Will be happy to do some pics for the Bob Jackson when I get her back from surgery.
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That is exactly the bike that gave me the inspiration for this little project.

My current Fizik stuff is the microtex soft touch...it sucks. A lot. I feel like an ultralight tube base followed by black cotton with a twine treatment would be quite classy on the Soma...
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Gotcha. For my money, it's leather every time. If I'm doing something on the cheap, I guess I'd go cork.
I'm really thinking of trying leather because I love the look, but it doesn't really absorb shock much, does it? I don't think I'd want less cushion than my current cheapo Bell cork tape. I wonder how a really thin leather over cork tape would do.
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...but I like the feel of cotton tape... a nice pair of gloves.
Hmm... I think this may be flawed in some way.
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I'm really thinking of trying leather because I love the look, but it doesn't really absorb shock much, does it? I don't think I'd want less cushion than my current cheapo Bell cork tape. I wonder how a really thin leather over cork tape would do.

Hmm... I think this may be flawed in some way.
Well, here's what I've done on 3 bikes and so far, I love it. I've wrapped with cheapo cloth tape, then gone over it with leather. I've been using Nashbar's leather tape so far. As compared to the cork I was using before, I love it.
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