KonAaron Snake 

LMAO, I'm a polytheist with bicycles!

bigbossman 

**********?

You read that from my post describing an enjoyable ride?

KonAaron Snake 

This needs to stop. There was no justification that I saw for that rant, and it seems like the site is becoming a jets VS sharks satire. There is a whole lot of self righteousness by folks who don't like aggressive road bikes and from people who insist all bikes should be trash picked and under $100. There is a place for 23c tires and a place for 42s. There is room for multiple flavors. No one came on bashing wide tires or your comment. In fact I'm open to trying anything(I have an anti tubular history). Folks seem bound and determined to preach their gospel lately and it's annoying. They also seem bound and determined to continue feuds.

I like every single person who has posted to this thread. Without exception. You all have something valuable to contribute but this sniping ain't it. It's a bike website, not the comments section of a Glenn beck forum. Let's leave the agendas and play nice. If you want to fight I kindly ask it be taken to another thread. If you want to joke, banter and tweak, this is a great place. I am open to nearly Amy kind of bike or tire and enjoy hearing other preferences, but let's save the preaching. It's chocolate and vanilla.

-holiday76

Let's not ruin this thread by staying on topic guys.

JunkYardBike

No, sorry, I wasn't accusing you. My response was a general one, opining that a De Rosa may in fact be a superlative descender (and climber) on long, smooth mountain roads. I'd like to ride in a region like that one day.

JunkYardBike

I wasn't ranting, I was saying the exact same thing. Different strokes for different folks. I've never cut down a bike someone likes or someone's riding preferences, style, culture, et al. However, that has happened in this thread, and not just from one side.

KonAaron Snake 

I would love to try the 42s. I dont think I have a frame for that type of build right now. Historically I prefer a thinner tire, but historically I also bashed tubulars. I love learning better!

Hell - blasphemy, I'd love to try CF if I wasn't concerned about it's strength related to my weight.

KonAaron Snake 

No worries. Let's just leave it behind and talk bikes

bigbossman 

Sorry - we don't cotton to folks riding around our roads on bikes outfitted with truck tires.

-holiday76

yes you do

https://www.rivbike.com/come_to_riv

estragon

Totally, freaking, lush. Well done!

bigbossman 

I've never bashed them, but I have always been of the opinion that they would be more trouble than they are worth. So far, so good. They were unbelievably easy to glue on, but the jury is still out as I haven't had a road failure yet.

I won't be converting my whole fleet, but they sure are nice to ride on.

JunkYardBike

I built my 650B for about the same you paid for your De Rosa. Trade up, man!

I could roll over your De Rosa frame with my 42s and not feel a thing!

tugrul

You just picked up pretty much the thinnest walled steel frame you can get your hands on and you are worried about CF?

jimmm18 

Well I couldn't read all the posts so I guess I missed the controversy

Aaron Congrats on your new Primato. I am loving mine more and more. Took me awhile to get it setup, the slipping seat post didn't help. but now that it is it is my primary bike. Of course the last bike I bought is always the one I ride the most ;-)

I am with OFG--I had gum wall tires on it but went back to black walls. Just seems to work better.

KonAaron Snake 

LOL - I think the OS version will stand up to me. The MAX seems perfect for me, and this shouldn't be THAT different. I've been riding, off and on, for around 20 years and the last 6 have been as a commuter with no car. I've never bent a steel frame, except with a garage door and once in an accident with a fed ex truck.

My CF worries might be irrational, but I like that steel bends as opposed to shattering. I've just always been nervous with CF. I should also say I personally watched two guys on CF Giants destroy their bikes in one race with climbs. It was 1991ish, and I know it's come a long way, but I've never quite forgotten that.

KonAaron Snake 

I wouldn't compete against you in a roller derby, at least until i have my Surly Pug. Are those thick enough for you???

Old Fat Guy

I just picked up a fillet brazed steel frame made with even thinner steel. There is some mighty thin Thermacrom steel out there.

KonAaron Snake 

Was it the genius tubeset that was thinner than EL?

Has anyone seen EL tubing that wasn't over sized? It's listed in that Columbus tubing chart, but I've NEVER seen it.

Old Fat Guy

Different (differential) butting on Genius. Interesting old thread here:
https://forums.serotta.com/printthread.php?t=36043&pp=40
More here:
https://www.columbustubi.com/eng/1.htm

txvintage

Ya know, it's a nice enough bike, if you're into that sort of thing

::Shakes fist at the De Rosa Gods, yelling "Someday!"::

Italuminium

I preach the gospel of Saint Tullio, the bless Alberto Falconi and Cino the Metallurgist.

to throw some more logs on the OT flame wars.

Dear God that De Rosa is gorgeos... Do not coveth thy neighbours, eh? Even across the ocean

KonAaron Snake 

I would say my patron saints are:

Kellog the wise
Miyata the immovable
Ugo the fleet
Sachs the elder
Ikelston the agile

and:

Marnati the unknown

cpsqlrwn

I saw a high end Bianchi listed recently on eBay that was EL tubing but did not look oversize in the listing pictures. I asked the seller to mic the tubes and it was standard size tubing.

BTW, very, very nice Primato. I am very interested in hearing about the ride if you put tubulars on the Marnati. I've ridden a high end Pinarello (Treviso) and a mid range Bianchi (Rekord 748) which had tubulars on them and I swear those rides were as comfortable as my Primatos, maybe even more so. Of course the Primatos have clinchers on them. Who knows how sweet they would ride with tubulars? Just to be clear before the DeRosa people chime in, I'm not comparing the handling of those bikes with the Primatos, but the rides were comparable. It seems to me that tires are much more of a factor in ride quality than the frame itself. Frame would be more of a factor in response, handling, and stabilty, etc.

KonAaron Snake 

OFG had a REALLY good idea - trying the Primato out with clinchers and seeing how it rode. That should give me a better idea on exactly what I'm feeling. I have a pretty good sense that a lot of what I'm seeing is the tire. If that's the case, I might have to convert the Marnati. I want to see exactly how bad the flat situation is before making a decision as I want as much info. as possible before putting it all on the scales for the balancing act.