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Phil Liggett is a legend in UK cycling and Paul sherwen also (and he's done the tour).
Believe it or not these people and riders have a passion for the sport - it's not all about money. |
Originally Posted by WalksOn2Wheels
(Post 12978076)
Now you're just being a curmudgeon to the nth degree. These guys aren't paid to entertain you. They're paid to put a bike on top of the podium, no matter what it may take. If you are a cycling fan, you are going to find it to be good sport either way. I mean, what exactly, at this point, would entertain you?
Originally Posted by iab
(Post 12978117)
Obviously, the term professional is lost on you. To be a pro, you get paid. To get paid, you need revenue. The only sources of revenue for cycling, is sponsorship, or more importantly, television. Television's only purpose is entertainment. If it doesn't enterain me, I turn it off. And for those sporting events that require a ticket (I am partial to hockey), if it doesn't entertain me, I leave the venue.
Without that entertainment THOSE GUYS DON"T GET PAID. Why exactly would anyone watch if it didn't entertain them? Stage 18 was entertaining. Stage 19 was somewhat interesting but AC's attack was pretty much inconsequential. BTW, golf and bowling don't entertain me, I don't watch either. I will play them on occasion, that can be entertaining. Do you watch these cyclists to see how fit they are? I mean, what is there other than entertainment? Again: what, exactly, would have to transpire for a Tour to "entertain" you. Evans rode a hell of a race, was strong, and showed he wanted it. Thor (the world champion) had some great victories and what is more entertaining than watching someone who isn't know for climbing to take an uphill victory in the rainbow jersey? Contador, though he was pretty much guaranteed to lose, attacked on the last stages for the hell of it. And speaking of strength and determination, Voekler was an inspiration for sure. It's always fun to Watch Cavendish kill it on the sprints, and that was present on more than one finish, and he didn't always win it. Let me be direct: What would entertain you? What do you require? |
Originally Posted by PeregrineA1
(Post 12978658)
Hopefully the slower times are indicative of the sport turning a corner on doping.
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Picchio, "may very well also mean less doped"?
This is probably the first TdF in a couple of decades when ALL the riders weren't doped to the gills. From where I sat (in front of the TV/computer) it was the most exciting TdF in 30 years. I honestly can't understand the 'meh' attitude of a copule of posters. If pro racing bores/disgusts you, don't watch and don't be a buzz kill for those of us who enjoy it. Personally, I don't give a FF if Cadel doped 5 years ago, or last year. He won this year in a memorable tour, and all of our friends in Oz should be proud, just as our friends in Costa Rica are proud of their fantastic rider, Andrey Amador, who was mugged, left for dead in January, broke his collar bone in April, and suffered a grade two ankle sprain in the first stage of the TdF, yet finished. I doubt anyone on this forum could hold any of their wheels for a half a mile, even on a flat, never mind at 10%. |
Well said, OFG. Let's enjoy this Tour for what it was (damned exciting!), not for what it wasn't.
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Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy
(Post 12979141)
Picchio, "may very well also mean less doped"?
This is probably the first TdF in a couple of decades when ALL the riders weren't doped to the gills. |
Picchio, I'm 'fairly' sure that 'most' of the riders are using something that isn't available to most of us to aid in recovery.
I'm not a Pollyanna. I think that it is also reasonable to assume that in prior years, a lot of people here celebrated the victories of some who would do whatever it took to win, and chemistry played a big part in those victories. For the next few days, we should raise our collective glasses to Cadel, Cavendish, Rolland, Sanchez, Team Garmin-Cevelo, and everyone else who actually rode in Le Tour, finish or not. It is the stuff of dreams. Chapeau to all! It's not my favorite race, but it is a Grand Spectacle. |
Except for when we lost power for 5 days after a big storm, I watched most of the stages of this year's Tour. I admired the grit of Voeckler, the determination of Andy Schleck, the power of Cavendish, and the climbing elegance of Contador.
I enjoyed this year's Tour quite a bit. I wish Versus broadcasted the Vuelta a Espaņa. |
Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy
(Post 12979361)
Picchio, I'm 'fairly' sure that 'most' of the riders are using something that isn't available to most of us to aid in recovery.
I'm not a Pollyanna. I think that it is also reasonable to assume that in prior years, a lot of people here celebrated the victories of some who would do whatever it took to win, and chemistry played a big part in those victories. For the next few days, we should raise our collective glasses to Cadel, Cavendish, Rolland, Sanchez, Team Garmin-Cevelo, and everyone else who actually rode in Le Tour, finish or not. It is the stuff of dreams. Chapeau to all! It's not my favorite race, but it is a Grand Spectacle. |
I really liked Andy's attack on stage 18, gutsy move to go out that far from the last climb.
This tour was better for me as it wasn't a done deal after week one, hell it wasn't a done deal until Saturdays ITT (well okay there was the issue with Andy's TT ability). Nice to see some new faces on the podium day to day. Rollands ride up the Alpe was inspiring, and here's hoping there's a resurgence in French cycling. |
Originally Posted by oldmuthariley
(Post 12978069)
GO CAVENDISH! :)
I'm just glad we don't have to watch Lance Armstrong anymore... By the way Phil Liggett is a legend And AFAIAC, Phil is a ledgend in his own mind. Can't even pronounce "Voeckler" consistently... Give me Bobke any day. SP Bend, OR |
i really got into the tour this year and enjoyed it very much - i still dont understand why they dont 'race' the last stage - i also dont like that the final 'race' stage is the time trial - but being a newb to the sport - who am i to say - just some newb observations
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Originally Posted by marley mission
(Post 12983346)
i really got into the tour this year and enjoyed it very much - i still dont understand why they dont 'race' the last stage - i also dont like that the final 'race' stage is the time trial - but being a newb to the sport - who am i to say - just some newb observations
They've had individual time trial stages placed earlier in the race as well, but (to me anyway) it settles the race too early. The GC contenders would get sorted too early, and the leader's team made the race ho-hum. Maybe it was just LA and his teams that made it that way. Probably were more interesting pre-LA, but we didn't really get good coverage here in the US before him. |
Originally Posted by iab
(Post 12977581)
I also beg to differ. What you wrote is my definition of riding smart. And without a doubt, Evans rode smart. Still a snore fest. Still took yellow in a very boring and predictable time trial. And I can say that from my chair. You think I give a rat's crap about more than the entertainment value these guys give me? That is what they are paid to do - entertain me. You don't see a program about me doing design work now do you. Evan's "nuanced" riding is what every rider should and does know, if you get dropped on a climb, keep your own rythem and don't panic. Its your best chance of catching the group. If that floats your boat, you can watch me on every group ride I do.
Did not read the rest. |
Originally Posted by cobrabyte
(Post 12983551)
First part of post was a snore fest.
Did not read the rest. OK, your opinion but seems a bit harsh on iab to me? |
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