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Can we please stop slagging on French threads??

Old 08-03-11, 03:52 AM
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Can we please stop slagging on French threads??

I mean, seriously.

Somebody new shows up here with questions about a Gitane or a Pugeot or a Motobecane, and sure as the Sun rises in the East, some well-intentioned soul will chime in with the French threading issue.

Guys. It's the 21st Century, and by definition, we are all on the Internet. I think that everybody who found this forum using Google has also found out about French threads using Google.

Case in point: I was trying to find out about the ride qualities of a Motobecane Grand Touring fork, and Googled it. Sure enough, the top results linked to the C&V section of Bikeforums.net; and sure enough, instead of discussing the ride qualities, or the steel characteristics, or any of the other information that most would consider relevant-- the threads all derailed into French threading issues.

Velo-orange has that covered. If they don't, IRD is stepping up, and if they can't do anything about it, there's always eBay. So can we


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drop it?

There's just so much *more* to these bikes than their threads. Are we that unimaginative?
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Sigh, and here I was with images of French Lingerie.
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Thank 'Eaven.... for leeetle gurls.... for leeeetle gurls get beeegair every seeengle DAAAAAAAYYYYY.....


I hear ya, but that's not what I was talking about.
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Hey, more great French bikes for those of us that have no problem with the threading "issue".

My first 10 speed was French, 2 of my three bikes I have now are French, with another French bike on the way.

Heck, Schwinn has strange part sizes, and they are as American as French Fries.
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^^^^That's Freedom Fries, you frog loving, beret wearer!!!!
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Can we still complain about Italian threaded BB shells?
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This is the internet for sure, but we routinely get questions from people that seemingly never heard of google. "I can't find any Peugeot catalogs on line", "I can't find any 27 inch tires, does anyone make them", "how much is a Cannondale R500 worth" (when a Cannondale R500 thread is directly below their thread), "My bike has goofy air fittings and I can't air up my tires", and my favorite: "I can't find anything about my bike brand xxx model yyy on the web" (and I google it and find 53,000 hits, with a couple of thousand of them pretty decent).

At least half the questions posted could be answered on google, either a general search, or a search of bikeforums. The mechanics forum is worse, probably 90% could be answered by a basic google search.

So I do think there is a value to the naive newbie to point out that their simple conversion of an old UO8 to a fixie is not going to be as simple or as cheap as they think.

As far as Velo Orange having it covered, my answer is sort of. $50 for a cartridge bb is high (but cheap when you consider the low production figures, and specialty nature of the part). For comparison, I just paid $10 each for Shimano cartridge bottom brackets for use on a couple of Asian rebuilds. $50 for a bb to rehab a PX10, no problem. $50 for a bb for a UO8, can crater the economics around here. For sure, the French are not alone with the oddball sizing, Schwinn had quite a bit of it on their low end bikes, and Raleigh had some of it as well.


And then you have the whole crank puller nonsense. Who came up with 23.35mm threading? A simple $6 crank tool becomes a $50 crank tool (oh yeah, I have one). And then TA and Stronglight didn't get together on that one, so you also need a 23mm puller (got one of those too).

I have several french bikes right now. I've had at least one french bike for the last 36 years.

Should french threading scare people away? No. As long as everything works, it does not matter. Just realize when parts wear out, a few of them will be expensive to replace (the rest of them, no problem). I pick up a lot of neglected bikes, 90% of the old cup and spindle bb I find are still good (after clean up, bearings, and grease). I rarely find one with issues. Almost all of the cartridge bb I find are shot.

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That's funny because I asked in the other C&V values forum about a nice Motobecane I was thinking of buying local and the only reply talked about threading issues and it scared me away LOL.
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Is this another thread about French threads?
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So what's so different a bout French Threads?
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Originally Posted by bbattle
I just lifted that. Thank you.

And by the way, French is french and all others arent. Especially threads.
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I personally think the French were right with their nice round MM dimensions. I wish we were using them across the board.

But I have to admit I regreased a Maillard rear hub the other night, planning to replace the ball bearings - they're always 1/4" after all - and found 6mm balls in the hub. I don't have those in the box.
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They have different threading ?.......That's news to me.....
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I hereby promise. Even when talking about my *&^%$# mixte.
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Its pertinent and something to consider. Imagine the inquiries I get through my website.

Q. I have a blue Peugeot can you tell me what model it is?
Q. I found an old Peugeot can you tell me how much its worth?

A. Do you have any pictures?
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
Can we still complain about Italian threaded BB shells?
Don't mess with Italian bicycles!
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I hereby promise. Even when talking about my *&^%$# mixte.
You have a mixte?? You dont actually ride that thing do you??
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I'm always incredulous when people complain about French vs Japanese threading.

It's just the old square peg - round hole conundrum.

BTW - Square holes and round pegs don't work any better, but no one seems to complain about that.
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
I'm always incredulous when people complain about French vs Japanese threading.

It's just the old square peg - round hole conundrum.

BTW - Square holes and round pegs don't work any better, but no one seems to complain about that.
Except that when 99% of people use round holes, the 1% squares might cause some issues. I think wrk's post above really said everything; if it's high end, it's no problem. For the ubiquitous bike boom French, it can skew the economics.
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great,
now I have Maurice Chevalier singing Thank Heaven for Little Girls running through
my head.
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Originally Posted by Captain Blight
Can we please stop slagging on French threads??
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Nobody has mentioned Raleighs yet?
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