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Zaphod Beeblebrox 08-09-11 02:42 PM

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KonAaron Snake 08-09-11 02:48 PM

If AC/DC had a cat...

cudak888 08-09-11 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox (Post 13058859)

Run, it's Mewpurrt Furdock and his power tie!

-Kurt

Zaphod Beeblebrox 08-09-11 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 13058909)
Run, it's Mewpurrt Furdock and his power tie!

-Kurt

Watch out, He'll hack your cellphone!

KonAaron Snake 08-09-11 02:56 PM

I remember when I saw James Bond Tomorrow Never Dies and thought the Pryce character was an exxagerated Murdoch. As it turns out, Murdoch was an exaggerated Pryce.

cudak888 08-09-11 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox (Post 13058932)
Watch out, He'll hack your cellphone!

http://www.icanhazgeekpet.com/wp-con...lphone_cat.jpg

That didn't take long.

-Kurt

cudak888 08-09-11 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake (Post 13058941)
I remember when I saw James Bond Tomorrow Never Dies and thought the Pryce character was an exxagerated Murdoch. As it turns out, Murdoch was an exaggerated Pryce.

Lock them in a room with Charles Foster Kane, and you'll have the world's first nuclear explosion requiring neither fission nor fusion.

-Kurt

lotek 08-09-11 03:01 PM

sigh

cudak888 08-09-11 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by lotek (Post 13058966)
sigh

Heck, we're in good spirits now - don't spoil it :P

And just to get us back on the flat tarmac of pertinent discussion from the descent of off-topic Foo, I present the following words of wisdom - to be preceded by the name Alberto or Faliero as your preference may be:

http://www.jaysmarine.com/masi_1.jpg

-Kurt

horribleoldman 08-09-11 03:09 PM

go with and Indy Fab, may not be vintage but they are lovely.

Pars 08-09-11 03:33 PM

Since it is a '78, sure it isn't 126mm? Just cuz he's running an Ultra FW doesn't necessarily mean it is 120mm...

Maybe the OP should measure it. If it is 126, then putting 130mm for modern 9/10/11 speed in wouldn't require cold setting.

Chombi 08-09-11 03:48 PM

Sometimes I do notice myself staring at my college age Nephew's Giant CF (TC--something) bike in our garage when he is not around. I entertain the thought of sneaking it out for a quick ride to find out what's so hot about it, but then I realize it just looks all wrong to me with it's compact, tail dragger geometry, ginormous 11(?) speed FW, brifters and angular, upturned looking ergo bars......and my head will most likely explode even before one first pedal stroke..........I just shake my head and slowly back away from the bike.....

Chombi

JohnDThompson 08-09-11 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox (Post 13058050)
Masi still makes steel bikes...so I suppose they'd be the modern version of yours. Check out the Speciale Strada http://www.masibikes.com/steel/speciale-strada/ I'd rather have your '78 though.

No. Masi in North America today has absolutely no connection with the Masis (California and Italian built) of the 70s and 80s. The rights to use the Masi name in North America were sold to the BMX company Haro and all modern production is designed by Haro and built in Asia.

If you want a real Masi, built by Faliero's son Alberto Masi, look for a "Milano" instead.

JohnDThompson 08-09-11 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by 20grit (Post 13058546)
No frame building experience, but I cold set my Gazelle from 120 to 130. I was always under the assumption that 120 to 130 merited a cold set while 126 to 130 could be pulled off just by cramming the other wheel in. In all my reading it seemed like a fairly common practice...

Yes, it can be safely done with a steel frame, but it causes an unsightly bow in the seat stays and would be sacrilegious on a 70s Gran Criterium.

Chombi 08-09-11 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 13059354)
No. Masi in North America today has absolutely no connection with the Masis (California and Italian built) of the 70s and 80s. The rights to use the Masi name in North America were sold to the BMX company Haro and all modern production is designed by Haro and built in Asia.

If you want a real Masi, built by Faliero's son Alberto Masi, look for a "Milano" instead.

Grand ole Italian marque Masi sold out to a BMX maker??! Really??! Haro??! I didn't know that!.....Uhmmm....not that there's really anything wrong with most bikes made today in most "developed" Asian countries....:rolleyes::D
I knew about the CA connection but not the BMX one.

Chombi

rootboy 08-09-11 04:46 PM

Outfit that sucker with some late 70's Super Record and be done.

WNG 08-09-11 04:54 PM

BTW, I'm eating a BLT, ATMO.
rather it be a panini.

OP, Even though it's a Masi GC, only 1 bike in 35 years?!? What's wrong with you man!?! Someone fill him in on N+1.
;)

cudak888 08-09-11 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by rootboy (Post 13059438)
Outfit that sucker with some late 70's Super Record and be done.

We have no idea what the OP has on his bike, other than a few hints. Chances are it does have Super Record on it, and if not SR, Nuovo Record.

-Kurt

Soma Roark 08-09-11 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by verbs4us (Post 13058607)
Thanks guys...yes, a few frame buiilders I talked with (Richard Sachs, PJ Weigle, Ben Serotta) advised against cold setting a Gran Crit. Some looked at it, dubbed it a Confente Masi and said I should never touch the frame, short of having to replace a tube. An attraction of IF is they use stainless steel. I was impressed with their workmanship and the idea of not having to worry about the frame rusting inside out. Don't know about the ride, but have heard raves. Anyone have opinions on stainless, and other builders who use it? In 35 years will I be having the same conversation about hard-to-find parts--but the frame will be as sturdy as the Masi's?

I just bought some stainless steel racks and apparently they have lower carrying capacity and I'm wondering if that translates to frames as well... it's be interesting to find an answer to that! But there must be a reason why stainless hasn't been used all these years considering rust is steel's kryptonite no?

KonAaron Snake 08-09-11 08:39 PM

I'd heard that about ss racks, but Tubus has them listed with the same weight limits as the regular racks.

rootboy 08-10-11 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 13059832)
We have no idea what the OP has on his bike, other than a few hints. Chances are it does have Super Record on it, and if not SR, Nuovo Record.

-Kurt

I know, and it sounds like he wants to buy a new bike. If it were me, however, which it isn't of course, I'd save that new bike money and put some of it into the Campy parts he's having trouble finding, they're available, and put that Masi back on the road ...and save a couple of grand in the process.

Capecodder 08-10-11 06:08 AM

I smell a Troll.......

Not being able to find parts for the bike at a reasonable cost is just hogwash...... There are tons of SR and NR parts available to rebuild any bike, and as far as his concern about cost...... Well, like I said before, if he's looking at Independent Fab bikes money is no concern.

cudak888 08-10-11 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by Capecodder (Post 13061478)
Not being able to find parts for the bike at a reasonable cost is just hogwash...... There are tons of SR and NR parts available to rebuild any bike, and as far as his concern about cost...... Well, like I said before, if he's looking at Independent Fab bikes money is no concern.

It's not a troll. Some people are just silly.

No offense to the OP intended.

-Kurt

Pars 08-10-11 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 13059354)
No. Masi in North America today has absolutely no connection with the Masis (California and Italian built) of the 70s and 80s. The rights to use the Masi name in North America were sold to the BMX company Haro and all modern production is designed by Haro and built in Asia.

If you want a real Masi, built by Faliero's son Alberto Masi, look for a "Milano" instead.

Yeah, almost made me cry at an LBS when I saw a new Masi with a sticker "Made in Taiwan" on it...

repechage 08-10-11 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Chombi (Post 13059392)
Grand ole Italian marque Masi sold out to a BMX maker??! Really??! Haro??! I didn't know that!.....Uhmmm....not that there's really anything wrong with most bikes made today in most "developed" Asian countries....:rolleyes::D
I knew about the CA connection but not the BMX one.

Chombi

It did not go directly like that, but the end result is basically that for many markets in the world.

http://bhovey.com/Masi/Nationality.htm is a reasonable explainer of the USA production or USA controlled production.

Roland Sahm of Elixir Industries leased the name and production/sales rights of Masi for the US market in 1972 or so. Royalties to be paid to Italy.
Late 1973 production in Carlsbad started.
That facility closed up late '77 or early '78
Production continued but at a very slow pace by Ted Kirkbride, Eisentraut, Lippy and a bit later at "the Ranch" Sahm's residence.
It picked up again in 1980 with production at two facilities for a time, various notable builders.
Rene Moser was running/repping the operation beginning in 1977 or 78, my memory is not perfect. A bit later the management was under Masi World Wide out of Colorado. Rene Moser was still involved for a time.
Ted Kirkbride has been involved to some degree the longest in the USA.
In the 90's Torelli Imports had responsibility for Masi in the USA.
That relationship ended at some point.
Ted either bought or was assigned control of the brand for a time and he assigned or sold it to Haro, from best of my sourcing.
Haro does not build bikes per se, they did have Denny make a small batch of 25 3V's a few years ago. Other than that the production has been all offshore.

My assumption is that as the name was originally under a long term lease/license in the original deal that scuttled the sale to Rexart in 1977 or so, that unless there was a re-negotiation of terms with Masi in Italy that underlying all that has transpired over time is that basic agreement. Who "owns" that agreement? I do not know. I would bet Sahm's Trust at the core.


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