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Old 08-25-11, 12:45 PM
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Conversion to upright touring bars, need input on shifters/levers/gears

Although I would like to keep everything as original, the bike is going to be a gift to daughter-in-law. It has a triple plateau Sugino crankset, and a 7 cog freewheel. It is going to get upright touring style bars, like the VO Porteur bars. It has Friction bar end shifters, which I will save with the original bars in case this bike gets converted back some day. I am trying to decide on what I could put on the bars as shifters. I couuld go to index shifter (s) at least for the rear, and lace up a hub that will take a cassette, and get a new RD. I don't know if decent friction shifters for these handlebars exists any more. I think the rims need to be replaced anyway, so changing the rear hub would not be too big a deal. I have an old Hyperglide cassette hub. This is a Miyata 1000 by the way. Your input is greatly appreciated! It occured to me that a new narrow chain might not work too well with the 30 year old alloy chainrings. What do you think?

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I run two bikes with Velo-Orange Porteur bars. Both have bar end shifters. I wouldn't run them any other way (I actually ran DT indexed shifters on one of the bikes for a while, but switched them out. I prefer NOT to reach down to shift. They fit fine and are not problem. If you are riding upright, then you may as well shift upright too.

One of the two bikes has a cassette and the other has a free wheel. Both are great.
Keep it simple.

Is this going to be a touring bike or an 'around town bike'? For my commuter/Town bikes, I always run a 1x8 drive train (ditch the front der)
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I did this recently on my '88 Voyageur.


  • Nitto Albatross bars
  • Silver bar ends
  • 8sp HG cassette (11-28)
  • Triple crankset (48-38-28)

I like it a lot, but ever the tinkerer I just accumulated some parts to try something new
  • Nitto Urban Riser bars
  • NOS Deore stags head friction thumb shifters
  • same gearing


I'm also building up a Trek 620 for my dad and will be building it like so:
  • Nitto Albatross (or similar bar that can't accept bar ends)
  • VO Thumb Shifter mounts
  • Ultegra 8sp indexing bar ends (ditching the pods)
  • Ultegra RD-6500
  • Ultegra FD-6600
  • VO Polyvalent crank (46/30 with chainguard)
  • 8sp HG cassette (11-28)
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if you choose the albatross bars above you can reuse your bar end shifters.

edit: if you are going to replace the rear wheel, you might as well go IGH.
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I have thumb shifters , and a pair of Diacompe touring brake levers on Nitto Albatross
chromoly bars.
VO has replicas of the D-C brake levers
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For what it's worth I don't consider the porteur really an upright bar. Certainly not in the way north roads or the Albatross bar are. The porteur has no rise and is usually set no higher than saddle height. I believe the bar was designed to generate power while stabilizing a heavy front load.
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Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd View Post
For what it's worth I don't consider the porteur really an upright bar. Certainly not in the way north roads or the Albatross bar are. The porteur has no rise and is usually set no higher than saddle height. I believe the bar was designed to generate power while stabilizing a heavy front load.
Good points. The Porteur doesn't sweep back like a North Roads bar does, but with a shorter stem (I run a short reach Nitto Technomic stem set above the seat level) I get a nice up right set up.
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I had the vo porteurs setup with barcons.. no problem. I was going to get a paul thumbshifter converter thing. Allows you to mount your dt shifter like a thumbshifter. In fact, I think VO makes their own version of this as well. If you already have those barcons, you might as well continue to use them??

I was able to use a 9 speed chain on an 80s univega 12 speed.

I've since moved onto moustache bars and am selling my porteurs. PM if interested. I also have a brand new SRAM 8 speed cassette and chain.
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If you already have those barcons, you might as well continue to use them??
Not necessarily. I'm setting my dad's bike up with thumbshifters rather than bar ends because I notice that with the Albatross bars I often hit the shifters when mounting or dismounting. It's annoying to get back on your bike and the derailleur not be inline with the cog you left it in. Small quibble, maybe, but one worth mentioning.
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I like thumbshifters.
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I have been tucking aside thumb shifters, the metal ones of old, for some time now. I must have a dozen set by now. The trick is finding them.

I just finished a lovely old Peugeot U08 and fitted thumb shifters, per the new owner's request...





I took the Peugeot out for its test ride this morning, and, as expected, the bike rode very nicely. I do like the handlebars and I love the easy to use shifters. My drop bar days are coming to an end, I think.

I also sent a bicycle to a lady in California a couple of weeks ago, and it too was fitted with the same style of thumb shifter...
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I like SRAM gripshifts and some older Shimano thumb/forefinger indexed. Very cheap, easy to install, work great.
They are uglier in many respects and the grip shifters, of course, eliminate cool leather or cork grips...
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you can get new, inexpensive friction thumshifters..... I use one on my utiliyt commuter 1x8

https://www.rivbike.com/products/show...hifters/17-097

or

https://www.amazon.com/Falcon-frictio.../dp/B0025UH44I
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Well, I have found a lot of the vernacular has changed, but yes I agree, they are meant to be at about saddle height. I have a set on my Zeus Competition. I put a set on my wifes KHS. I was not impressed by VO copy of the Dia Compe copy of the Weinmann. They work ok though. Okay, what is IGH please? Salute to you Colonel on your Voyageur. Thanks to all of you for again providing me some interesting advice. Here is the "before" pic.
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Gyro, IGH is an acronym for internally geared hub.
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That is a mighty cool bike Gyro-

That's one hella fortunate daughter-in-law.
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Well you all have been extremely helpful. I am going to get me some of those Sunrace friction shifters (thanks squirtdad), because I see her having some of the difficulties you mention Colonel... internally geared hub huh, well I am no stranger to the guts of a Sturmey Archer or Shimano 3 -speed. Never touched on of those new 9-speed IGH Shimanos, probably too complicated to rebuild. Also thanks to Randy Robbie and Goldenboy, I think I know what I need to do now! Can't wait to tear into it.
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Originally Posted by illwafer View Post
if you choose the albatross bars above you can reuse your bar end shifters.

edit: if you are going to replace the rear wheel, you might as well go IGH.
+1 IGH wheels can be found dirt cheap on ebay these days. I bought a lightly used wheelset consisting of an American Classic and Sturmey XRD5 hubs mated to Velocity Deep V rims and Vittoria Randonneur tires for less than $200. New wheelsets with Shimano Alfine 8 and Dyno hubs can be gotten for around $300.
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Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd View Post
For what it's worth I don't consider the porteur really an upright bar. Certainly not in the way north roads or the Albatross bar are. The porteur has no rise and is usually set no higher than saddle height. I believe the bar was designed to generate power while stabilizing a heavy front load.
I'm with Colonel on this. I've got a Porteur bar on my UE-8 and it definitely is NOT an upright bar, though you can flip it to an upside down position and get a teensy bit of rise out of the bar. I *love* the looks of the porteur bar but it is just not as comfortable as I thought it would be. The angle of my wrists is uncomfortable on rides longer than about 5 miles and my shoulders get sore besides. Maybe if the bar was wider it wouldn't be an issue... I have plans to swap to north roads at some point in the not too distant future.
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Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd View Post
I did this recently on my '88 Voyageur.
Colonel, you really need to stop posting pics of that Voyageur! It is making me jealous beyond belief!

That is one BEAUTIFUL bike, IMO.
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I'm with Colonel on this. I've got a Porteur bar on my UE-8 and it definitely is NOT an upright bar, though you can flip it to an upside down position and get a teensy bit of rise out of the bar. I *love* the looks of the porteur bar but it is just not as comfortable as I thought it would be. The angle of my wrists is uncomfortable on rides longer than about 5 miles and my shoulders get sore besides. Maybe if the bar was wider it wouldn't be an issue... I have plans to swap to north roads at some point in the not too distant future.
Like I said Photog, the vernacular has changed. Everybody in the western US anyway called those or what was pretty damn close to it, touring bars in the 70's. I put about a thousand Schwinn Collegiates together with chrome ones then. Now when I use that term in a bike shop or on the forum, people don't know what I am talking about. So I am just trying to learn the new terminology having been out of the bike mainstream since 1980.
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i've got that same 1982 miyata 1000. mine has gone through many changes, and here is one configuration from a few years back that might help:



repainted obviously, but those are steel northroad bars on a nitto technomic (old version). i was using these 99cent nashbar thumbies, which are the same as the falcon levers sold at rivendell. they work great.
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Nice looking Miyata 1000. Thanks for that input. What kind of front rack and fenders are on that bike?
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I've done a couple of drop-to-upright conversions, and both times use 7-speed Rapidfire, 'cause that's what I had. It's a pretty good choice though I figure, as you can find 7-speed cogstacks in either freewheel or freehub form so your wheel options are wide open, the spacing isn't super tight so old ones ( and cables and housing) often work quite well, and you can often get 7 and 8 speed kit to play nice.

Lots of options, and with city bikes I like to keep things cheap and cheerful so I appreciate options.

The wife's Raleigh Tora: 700CX 7-speed STI, 600 rear d., parts bin chain, take-off rear wheel with new 7-speed freewheel, re-used housing and cables. All from the parts bin. Works pretty darn well but is getting new housing and cables soon.



A friends Raleigh Record: Deore LX 7-speed STI with the front shifter mount cut off, old chain, new rear freewheel-hubbed wheel (cheap), new 7-speed freewheel, new cables and housing.

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Originally Posted by Gyro_T View Post
Like I said Photog, the vernacular has changed. Everybody in the western US anyway called those or what was pretty damn close to it, touring bars in the 70's. I put about a thousand Schwinn Collegiates together with chrome ones then. Now when I use that term in a bike shop or on the forum, people don't know what I am talking about. So I am just trying to learn the new terminology having been out of the bike mainstream since 1980.
The porteur bars when installed as intended actually have a drop to them. However if you flip them around, they have a little rise to them but not much. I personally would not use them for touring even if flipped around. I'd put on a North Roads, Albatross or something in the Wald low-rise bar selection if you want something that offers a nice upright riding position. The porteur is an acquired taste... One which I have not yet acquired.
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