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"Jack Taylor" built up (first build)

Old 08-30-11, 12:21 PM
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"Jack Taylor" built up (first build)

I got this frame off of Ebay a bit ago from Norris Lockley in England. He claims it's a genuine JT. I have doubts, but regardless, I'm enjoying it immensely. More on the frame and me getting it here:

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ved?highlight=

Anyhow, I've got it built up for now. This is a trial build, as I might try drop bars at some point. It goes something like this:

- white industries headset which came with the frame
- cottered bb and crank with a ta knockoff 32t chain ring
-SA AW laced to a 700. This I'mworking on getting another SA AW laced to a 27, because the brakes just barely reach but not really. the SA has a 22t cog.
-the calipers are GB Hindumiuniums (sp?) from the 40's for 50's.
- vo porteur bars. Something I've been meaning to try.
- dia compe inverse levers. on there until i find something period
- stem is a POS raleigh branded unit that is the right length, but will get replaced with something period at some point.
- seat post (thanks Neal) is there until something period comes along.
- brooks swallow - another item i've been wanting to try and i really like it out of the box.
- 32mm avocet touring tires. I dig em.
- lyotard pedals. Something is wrong with the right one. it clicks?
- i used some cateye suede tape that basically falls apart when you touch it, so i found some other no name suede tape and taped over that. I glued the end of it with tire patch glue...

it will get some fenders and a light eventually.











you can check out the pics a little better here:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1133647...57/JackTaylor#
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What length is the stem? I have an old GB that is missing a bolt you can have if you want it. Ithink it was 90mm/100mm
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Those aren't recently manufactured tires, are they?

A similar looking set I pulled off a bike had loose fibers where the sidewalls used to be.
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Originally Posted by fender1
What length is the stem? I have an old GB that is missing a bolt you can have if you want it. Ithink it was 90mm/100mm
90 or 100, but I have a 100 Gb quill, like the ones that were on 70's raleighs. I want something from the 40s or 50s. Maybe lugged.

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Those aren't recently manufactured tires, are they?
no. i got them NOS. Not sure when they stopped making them. Actually Avocet is gone as a company i think?
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oh and, thanks nlerner for the seat post, RHM for the crankset (or maybe also nlerner?) noglider for the shifter. MachineShin for the tires and probably some other parts of it..
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Love it, dude!

Those Lyotard pedals are pretty easy take apart, clean and repack with new bearing balls and fresh grease. I rebuilt a few pairs recently. They take 1/8" bearing balls.
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Is this the style stem your looking for?

https://www.the-bici.com/index.php?_a...&productId=402
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Originally Posted by fender1
Is this the style stem your looking for?

https://www.the-bici.com/index.php?_a...&productId=402
maybe yeah, though I don't need that "underslung" bit.
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Norris is currently still in southern France, so is out of reach. He is a truly lovely guy and an incredible font on knowledge. He does not actually have a shop, in the commercial sense, but his own personal shop/collection/dungeon has some 500+ frames. He is a retired educator who learned to build bikes back in the 1950s. Read some of his entries on the ClassicLightweights site.

For example:
https://www.classiclightweights.co.uk...-builders.html

Now, with regard to any given frame, Norris is the last person to claim he is perfect. He may have made a mistake here (or not). BUT, if he did, it was an honest mistake. These old frames are often as much a mystery even to an expert like him as to anyone.

In any event, he will be back in England and back online sometime in the coming weeks. (He left just as the Tour de France was beginning.)

Regardless of what this frame really "is", it IS fabulous. Hope you love the ride.

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Great build Holiday76! Norris Locksley really wouldn't try to deceive and he is a genuine 'frame expert' who is known to the Taylors so I'd be very comfortable with his assertion that it is a JT, although from the photos my poor old eyes make the first digit a "1" not a "7" which I think points to 1949, instead of 1979 and it is built in the "Road/Path" style of that earlier era. I bet it's a great ride?
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I have no issue with Norris. Seems like a nice guy. I have much respect for him based on what I've read. I jsut think he might be wrong on this one, if only based on the serial number. The number is indeed 7462 as seen on the matching fork here:



So who knows. It's either an actual Taylor only from the 70's, or from some other builder and from the 40's or 50's. Either way is cool with me. It's a nice frame.

By the way, look at all the similarities to this curved tube Taylor from 1952:

https://www.classiclightweights.co.uk...-lowry-rb.html

not everything is the same (fork crown, curved st obviously).that bike really makes me want to try drop bars on this bike.

In any event, I don't care if it's a real Taylor or not as I can never really see myself getting rid of it.

thanks for the compliments guys! I'm enjoying the bike so far.

P.s. if anyone has any Hiduminium levers they want to sell me, please let me know
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It's a lovely bike. What gives you doubts about it?
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You didn't end up using the AW hub I gave you?
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Originally Posted by noglider
You didn't end up using the AW hub I gave you?
Not yet, but I will be as soon as I get it laced into the 27" rim Neal gave me. Thenthat wheelset will be going on this bike as currently the brakes barely reach.
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Originally Posted by AZORCH
It's a lovely bike. What gives you doubts about it?
Its all in the thread I linked in my first post.
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I don't know if you tried it...but...the Porteur bars seem to "work" better turned the other way around (down)...FWIW.
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I like it Holiday, wat are you thinking for fenders? Some back Club Specials would be very nice, eh?
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Originally Posted by Velognome
I like it Holiday, wat are you thinking for fenders? Some back Club Specials would be very nice, eh?
ya! got some to sell me ?
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Bleumels were really nice, but I don't think they're worth the price people are getting for them nowadays. People are perfectly happy with Planet Bike fenders. I might try some soon. I have SKS (which took over Bleumels) on one bike, and they're good, but at that price, they better be.
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