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Another player in the Retro Classic game: Pogliaghi

Old 09-07-11, 09:35 AM
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Another player in the Retro Classic game: Pogliaghi

Just saw some posts in the CR list about some new "retro" frames shown at the Eurobike trade show by Basso. They are offering some steel frames with oversize tubing and plug-in rear dropouts under the brandname they still have rights to: Pogliaghi.
Said to look good, but no pictures are up yet on their website. They may offer a complete bike built up with Campy Athena (all-aluminum alloy) gruppo.
The only link, so far:
https://italiancyclingjournal.blogspo...i-returns.html

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Look nice. I want....


Didn't Basso apprentice at Pogliachi? I remember seeing Pogs listed in Basso catalogs a while back.
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Yep... it was ~`92ish



https://www.bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/basso92/2.jpg
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Originally Posted by Rocket-Sauce View Post

Didn't Basso apprentice at Pogliachi? I remember seeing Pogs listed in Basso catalogs a while back.
There were actually 3 Basso brothers - the most famous of which was Marino, winner of the 1972 World Road Race Championships, who joined the other two at the firm. I'm not aware that any of them apprenticed with Pogliaghi.
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Ciocc had a bunch of bikes too, they don't do much for me and I think the prices are rather high. I would personally rather track down a used one in great condition for a grand and a half than buy a new one. But I am pretty cheap....
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Originally Posted by Rocket-Sauce View Post
Yep... it was ~`92ish

I have the "Classico" one in black, pictured in the upper right. It's a very nice bike.
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What firm actually owns the Ciocc name these days? I know these are no longer made by master P. himself.
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Originally Posted by WNG View Post
What firm actually owns the Ciocc name these days? I know these are no longer made by master P. himself.
From the Ciocc website: "In 1991, the CIOCC trade mark and brand became ownership of Stefano Bonati, Cesare Biondi and Biffi Giuseppe, who realised the importance of its origins and how to maintain the traditions, characteristics and attention to detail of the brand as it evolves in to a new era offering production of carbon fibre frames. Today, CIOCC is still a market leader, offering unique bicycles for quality, design and performance."

Signore Pelizzoli still builds steel frames bearing his name: https://www.pelizzoliworld.com/
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I have a 1991 Pogliaghi, but I have been been told it was Rossin built.

Doesn't matter much to me one way or another, as it is a great rider.

I've been waiting to find a Campy equipped donor bike to swap components.

I've become quite enamored with 9 and 10 speed Chorus, so that may be the ticket.

Still, it's fun to buzz around the cities with when I get a chance.

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Originally Posted by ciocc_cat View Post
From the Ciocc website: "In 1991, the CIOCC trade mark and brand became ownership of Stefano Bonati, Cesare Biondi and Biffi Giuseppe, who realised the importance of its origins and how to maintain the traditions, characteristics and attention to detail of the brand as it evolves in to a new era offering production of carbon fibre frames. Today, CIOCC is still a market leader, offering unique bicycles for quality, design and performance."

Signore Pelizzoli still builds steel frames bearing his name: https://www.pelizzoliworld.com/
...and they are beauties.



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Originally Posted by gomango View Post
...and they are beauties.



Slightly OT, but aren't those awfully relaxed frame angles? That looks even more laid back than a Woodrup Giro.
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Originally Posted by Zumkopf View Post
Slightly OT, but aren't those awfully relaxed frame angles? That looks even more laid back than a Woodrup Giro.
Frame geometry according to the chart on Signore Pelizzoli's website:

Size A B C D E F
48 cm C-C 50,5 48 75° 8,5 58,5 40,3
50 cm C-C 51,5 50 75° 9,5 58,5 40,5
52 cm C-C 52,5 52 74,3° 11,5 59 40,7
54 cm C-C 54 54 73,8° 13,5 60 40,5
56 cm C-C 56,3 56 73,5° 14,5 60,5 41,3
58 cm C-C 57 58 73,2° 15,5 60,7 41,5

A = top tube length
B = seat tube length
C = seat tube angle
D = head tube length
E = BB to front
F = BB to rear
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Originally Posted by Zumkopf View Post
Slightly OT, but aren't those awfully relaxed frame angles? That looks even more laid back than a Woodrup Giro.
They look to be (maybe) 73/73-ish, which is a pretty good place to be in a mid-sized all-purpose frame. ALthough, the HTA looks a bit steeper than the STA (maybe, hard to tell much from those pics.).
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Originally Posted by Rocket-Sauce View Post
Didn't Basso apprentice at Pogliachi? I remember seeing Pogs listed in Basso catalogs a while back.
Picchio is correct about the 3 Bassos. I don't know if any of them apprenticed with Sante Pogliaghi, but they did own the name, at least for a while. (They stiall might, but I have no idea one way or the other about that.)

Originally Posted by bigbossman View Post
I have the "Classico" one in black, pictured in the upper right. It's a very nice bike.
You mean the black Chinese piece of cr*p you ride sometimes? (This is a reference to a run-in BBM had with a local garage sale guy. The guy was a real piece o' work and said that John's Basso-built Pog was a "cheap Chinese piece of cr*p - I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole." You should have been there - words cannot adequately convey just how bizarre the whole interaction was.)
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My 1983 Woodrup Giro (24-inch size) is 73 HTA, 73.5 STA. Just checked it with my Wixey!
(If you don't have a Wixey, you gotta get one...).

(Can we say 'Wixey' on this forum, btw...?).

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Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post
Picchio is correct about the 3 Bassos. I don't know if any of them apprenticed with Sante Pogliaghi, but they did own the name, at least for a while. (They stiall might, but I have no idea one way or the other about that.))
the (2 remaining) Basso brothers acquired the rights to the Pogliaghi name after Rossin sold it to them. They still own it as evidenced by the fact that they are selling these new (retro) Pog frames and bikes. I also don't think any of the Basso Bros. did any apprenticing with Sante (or Rossin for that matter) and they are perfectly capable builders in their own right (but none are Sante, Mr. Senator!)
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Originally Posted by WNG View Post
What firm actually owns the Ciocc name these days? I know these are no longer made by master P. himself.
Here is the "Vintage" series from Ciocc for 2012:

https://italiaanseracefietsen.wordpre...lection-ciocc/
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Casati as well:

https://www.ciclicasati.it/acciaio.html



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I have an 84 Pogliaghi Pista. I think it's a Rossin era frame although I know it was
bought from Sante's shop in Milan.
Painstaking research and wild conjecture have led to the conclusion that Sante himself
stopped in the shop while this frame was being brazed while on the way to get his
morning espresso.

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