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Old 11-21-17, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by texaspandj
So what oil do you use?
Short version: Wax. It works. It's clean. The prep is different but once you get started there's actually less maintenance overall.

My theory is I don't generate enough engine power for minor differences in chain lube to matter. And as I've mentioned before, I think the drivetrain tension in my Ironman is a bigger factor than chain lube, tires or almost any other minor consideration -- I'm going to swap rear derailleurs soon to test my theory. So while some tests indicate wax has the lowest resistance, I'm not strong enough to see any difference on the road.

But it works, it's clean, and it's easy. I already had a Little Dipper crock pot, perfect for chain waxing.

Decades ago I started out using WD-40 on my Motobecane chain. In mostly dry Southern California it was good enough. Then I heard from a Marine Corps armorer that it wasn't a good lube and they only used WD-40 for cleaning. So I switched to whatever I found at the bike shop. And I used Phil's grease, which was and still is great stuff. (Yeah, I could probably buy a tub of marine grease cheaper, but I don't use it often enough and the tubes are handy.)

In 2015-'16 I used Park CL-1. In tests it ranks about average. And it resists water pretty well so it holds up through rain. Seems to last for weeks or months between applications. Good enough for my needs. About a week after application it forms a tacky film, which may be why it's reasonably water resistant. But it also attracts a lot of gunk. My legs, socks, pants and cats always had chain tattoos (I keep my bikes indoors).

So I switched to Tri-Flow for awhile. Smells pleasant, goes on easily, works well for maybe a week or two between applications. Seems to wash out easily in rain. Some folks complain it attracts a lot of black gunk, but I've found that to be the case with every wet lube and Tri-Flow was no worse. Same problems with chain tattoos.

In June I switched to paraffin (Gulf wax) on my errand bike and Ironman road bike. Best stuff I've found overall. The chain is dead quiet for the first few rides. Seems to last 400-500 miles in dry weather, longer than some folks estimate for wax. About once a month or every 400 miles, I switch between an identical pair of KMC Z72 chains with Missing Links. The "old" chain goes back into the crock pot of melted paraffin overnight, then into a ziplock baggie to wait for the next monthly swap.

Best of all the chain and drivetrain stay clean. No more chain tattoos on my legs, socks, trousers or cats. The chain, cassette/freewheel and chainring wipe off with a dry rag -- there are smudges like you'd get from a soft pencil, not greasy. No more oily spatters on the bottom bracket, chain stays or rear rim. If the chain comes off during a ride I can replace it with bare hands and just wipe the smudges off on a rag, tissue or my spare bandanna.

Last month I temporarily switched the Ironman from KMC Z72 to a Z33 or Z50 chain -- at a glance the Z33 and Z50 look the same, plain outer plates, plain rivets. The Z72 have shaped plates and mushroom head rivets. Mostly I was curious to see whether there was any difference in drivetrain tension, shifting, noise, etc. Nope, no difference. The Z33 or Z50 chain still had the original factory grease/oil/lube, and I recently touched it up with the Park CL-1. So the drivetrain is oily and gunky again. I'll need to clean the freewheel and chainring before I switch back to the waxed Z72 chains.
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Hey [MENTION=2162]bike[/MENTION] galpal , you get that Purple Haze yet or what ?
haha. you know what, i think i'm just fated to keep finding bikes i love in size 56. considering i'm currently comfortably riding a 60 i just don't think i should go for a 56
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goddarn it. sixty dollarinos!!!!

63" Track bike. Fixed gear. Great condition w/ lock. - $60 (Orangevale)
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Old 11-23-17, 06:51 AM
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I bought this frame from a member awhile back. Finally built it up with spare parts I have in the bike box. I also have an 89 but that one is on the backburner for now.
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Old 11-23-17, 06:59 AM
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rare color.
Originally Posted by kinetikz
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I bought this frame from a member awhile back. Finally built it up with spare parts I have in the bike box. I also have an 89 but that one is on the backburner for now.
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Old 11-23-17, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by kinetikz
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I bought this frame from a member awhile back. Finally built it up with spare parts I have in the bike box. I also have an 89 but that one is on the backburner for now.
That 86 is N I C E.
Is that ultegra 9 speed?
Spare parts? Looks more like custom made for it.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
Killer,
rare color.
Thank you! Its not in perfect condition but I love the color combo.
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Old 11-23-17, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by texaspandj
That 86 is N I C E.
Is that ultegra 9 speed?
Spare parts? Looks more like custom made for it.
Yes, It's mostly ultegra, it has a 105 front derailleur. Some of the parts were from another Ironman but yeah mostly stuff I had laying around. So I figured atleast I could put them to use. Thanks for the kind words!
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+1 on the wax.

I started using it about a year ago & it does a good job keeping the chain clean & quiet. It is a bit of work doing the initial cleaning to rid the chain & gears of grease, but any subsequent lube is quick & easy if one uses a quick link as Canklecat stated. I used some process I found off the net to degrease the chain with mineral spirits, thinner, degreaser & an old toothbrush to scrub everything. The wax recipe included the addition of graphite powder in the wax which i’m not sure if it helps but it can’t hurt. I probably do a better job now taking care of the chains since any subsequent cleaning is so simple & painless by just popping the chain into the melted wax, letting it dry & putting it back on.

However, as a neophyte here & I knowing this subject is all over the forum, I’ll be quiet now & crawl back in bed.
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Old 11-25-17, 02:27 PM
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You guys with the "gunky" drivetrains need to spend a little more time wiping off the excess oil after applying. When you've gotten the chain nearly dry to the touch again, it'll pick up a lot less schmutz when riding.
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Old 11-26-17, 02:36 PM
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You guys with the "gunky" drivetrains need to spend a little more time wiping off the excess oil after applying. When you've gotten the chain nearly dry to the touch again, it'll pick up a lot less schmutz when riding.
+1 It should only "glisten" inside. And don't forget cleaning the RD pulleys.

I've just applied some of the "sticky" WD-40 to a chain to see how it goes. It certainly does not drip. We'll see how it flies.....
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Old 11-27-17, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bike_galpal
goddarn it. sixty dollarinos!!!!

63" Track bike. Fixed gear. Great condition w/ lock. - $60 (Orangevale)
Hope you all had a good Thanks Giving .
That looks like a possible [MENTION=2162]bike[/MENTION]_ galpal .
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Originally Posted by markwesti
Hope you all had a good Thanks Giving .
That looks like a possible [MENTION=2162]bike[/MENTION]_ galpal .
i mean, i think even a 60 is too big for me. but i've ridden a 63 before. maybe i should grab it?
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Umm , I don't know . For one thing Centurion IM's did not have odd frame sizes , so that one is a 64cm or a 62cm . By looking at that pic I'm thinking 64 . Some guys here can tell the size just by the placement of the pump peg . Of course the only way to find out would be to ride it . If 60 is a tad to big then your only other choice would be a 58 , I think a 58 would be easier to find . I think a 58 would be a awesome choice because you can always raise the seat and get a longer stem also different crank arms . In that pic the bike looks goofy with the seat slammed and the bars on a 1 1/8 riser with the stem slopped up . Just sayin'.
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Could anyone shed some light on this IM I have heard it called the woman's IM . I guess because of the 650 front end ? But maybe Centurion's funny bike ? I want one and I'm gonna make Ms.westi ride it .
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/...400466378.html

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Originally Posted by markwesti
Could anyone shed some light on this IM I have heard it called the woman's IM . I guess because of the 650 front end ? But maybe Centurion's funny bike ? I want one and I'm gonna make Ms.westi ride it .
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/...400466378.html
Specifically marketed as a woman's bike in the 1987 catalog.
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Here's the story in the ad [MENTION=413981]markwesti[/MENTION]
One thing should be mentioned it also came with a 700c front wheel the next size up. I think someone was selling one on BF sales. I'd like to get the only other model 48cm with 700c front wheel for my wife too.
The regular Ironman came in 48cm also but with a longer top tube. I actually had a 46cm with the 24 inch front wheel. But I sold right away. Those front wheels were difficult to source. Reportedly you could get them the same place you would get wheels for wheelchair racers.
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Originally Posted by texaspandj
Here's the story in the ad [MENTION=413981]markwesti[/MENTION]
One thing should be mentioned it also came with a 700c front wheel the next size up. I think someone was selling one on BF sales. I'd like to get the only other model 48cm with 700c front wheel for my wife too.
The regular Ironman came in 48cm also but with a longer top tube. I actually had a 46cm with the 24 inch front wheel. But I sold right away. Those front wheels were difficult to source. Reportedly you could get them the same place you would get wheels for wheelchair racers.
That front wheel was a 520c. 24" tires would fit them. 24" wheels could be used as replacements, but were hard, like you said, to source. The Terry web site used to have a buy/sell section where you could get wheels once in a while.

The best wheel I've seen in 520 was the Araya CTL-370 used on the woman's Ironman. You'd just have to avoid wearing it out. Velocity once made the Aerohead in 520/24. After that, the issue is decent tires....

Still, for women, that Ironman is the real deal. Very few Tange 1 models of that bike by other makes, and once you built them with aerobars and such, the owners rarely would give them up. It's not like men didn't race that type of bike, either, but I think the 700/650 combo would have been a winner. I'm sure Georgena Terry considered it, and perhaps she needed to be able to go smaller than 700/650 would go.





I could build one heck of a woman's tri-bike out of that Ironman. In fact, I think I know where those custom Hot Tubes bars are, and the bike would be awesome.

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^^^Whoa, that bike is cool. I really dig those aero bars. I know it puts off a lot of cyclist to see aero bars on a road bike but on a tt bike they look perfectly natural. Also those aero bars are so cool. Especially cause they're integrated flat bar to aero bar it seems less obtrusive, which is why I think cyclist have such a bad time with aero bars on a drop bar. There are some on ebay. I often thought that when I get a silver 85 Ironman I would match it as close to this modern "steel" tt bike, however I like your bars/build more.

In an early 1987 excerpt of triathlete magazine, Dave Scott (the most well known and successful Ironman triathlete at that time) was asked why he rode a "traditional bike" as opposed to a" tt/funny bike (700c back 650 front). He said he
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This:
Sorry about the poor phone pic. Two things note worthy.
1. He planned on testing out a funny bike in 87. Centurion did make at least one that I'm aware of.
2. This was before aero bars were invented. Because once they came on the scene it made tt/funny bikes almost obsolete.
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[MENTION=37341]Vintage[/MENTION] Cyclist and [MENTION=412879]texaspandj[/MENTION] , thanks for taking the time to post all that stuff . Hey [MENTION=108582]RobbieTunes[/MENTION] , 520c ? I never heard of that one before , very interesting . I thought 650c was as small as it got . As far as Ms.westi getting on a bike again , I was just dreaming . Don't get me wrong she is in good shape , she just doesn't have the coordination nor the desire to get on a bike again .
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Originally Posted by Chuckk
CAUTION! Sand Worm Crossing! in Tralfamadorian

Super cool and super Clean. Show the rest of it.
I never knew what those graphics were. They're on my 88 master as well.
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Boy the last two months I haven't done much riding at all. It started first when I had no races to train for. Then when I decided to get back to it, my back. Then that healed and it was my knee, now my left forearm when I punch the bag. I felt like I was falling apart. So I had a talk with myself and ask are you gonna give up/in or fight thru this?
So yesterday I started my first workout in my wife's workout class. She does mostly circuit style workouts with weight lifting, bag punching, tire flipping, big rope work etc.
Today I went on a short ride pulling my 3 yo daughter in the baby trailer. The thing is I have to have a carrot like a race but my 3 yo daughter is now my New carrot.
I think I'm selling my 88 Ironman that is showroom condition. I have my eye on another 88. I already have it listed on CL. Bike forums and thebay to follow.
So my wife's Ironman rear hub was a little loose so I tightened it and then did the backwards pedal spin and it required a bit more effort for a full revolution. So I loosened it reinstalled and did the hit the pedal backwards "canklecat" spin and it was fine. Today I tried the canklecat spin on my 88 with full 9 speed ultegra and it was so very easy. Maybe more modern gear does spin more freely. Later Irongents.

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Originally Posted by texaspandj
Super cool and super Clean. Show the rest of it.
I never knew what those graphics were. They're on my 88 master as well.
Affectionately known as "the squiggle graphics" unique to the '88's.
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Boy the last two months I haven't done much riding at all.
If I could get you that bar combo from the Hot Tubes, would you mount it on your tri-bike?
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