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Old 11-18-18, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
Overhead lighting.

It's my heaviest Centurion. 19.93 lbs. as you see it.
Ummmm..... My bikes and I need to go on a diet . I have almost everything ready to go for the Comp TA , and man it's gonna be heavy . Well that's just a guess I picked it up off it's wall hanger and it felt heavy or was I just being a weakling ?

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some progress! i have the cables but have not had time to get to it. I also used the studio real quick to take the pic so its better than my usual. i need a few bits and pieces still to put it all together. still not cut the steerer etc. the front fork is a bit modern so maybe someday ill find a better "fit" but it works. and i suspect when it gets a bit banged up and faded it will fit in better.
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Looking good , that thing is going to be a wall climber . I wouldn't cut the steer tube till I put some miles on it .
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Wheelset recomendation

Can someone recomeND a light modern clincher
wheelset that is lightweight for my I'M master ? I want to keep the downtube friction shifters and original shimano 600 derailleurs. If possible I would like to have a 28 mm rear sprocket for lower gear option. Is that all possible without having to buy/install new derailleurs ?I don't mind having only 7 or 8 speed cassette.
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I've had good luck with Sun ME14A rims. I don't know which hubs are on that model. You should be able to switch out the free hub body to get more cogs. RT or someone else should be along with the info.
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Originally Posted by Kars
I want to keep the downtube friction shifters and original shimano 600 derailleurs. If possible I would like to have a 28 mm rear sprocket for lower gear option. Is that all possible without having to buy/install new derailleurs ?I don't mind having only 7 or 8 speed cassette.
I'm running a 28 tooth cog on both my 88 IM Master and my 85 IM, both with that same 600 Ultegra 6400 RD and the shifters in friction mode, both 7 speed. No problems at all.

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Old 11-19-18, 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by markwesti
Looking good , that thing is going to be a wall climber . I wouldn't cut the steer tube till I put some miles on it .
I second that. Excellent look to date. Coming together nicely.
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Originally Posted by Kars
Can someone recomeND a light modern clincher
wheelset that is lightweight for my I'M master ? I want to keep the downtube friction shifters and original shimano 600 derailleurs. If possible I would like to have a 28 mm rear sprocket for lower gear option. Is that all possible without having to buy/install new derailleurs ?I don't mind having only 7 or 8 speed cassette.
PM Me. I'm sick with wheels these days...
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Originally Posted by seypat
I've had good luck with Sun ME14A rims. I don't know which hubs are on that model. You should be able to switch out the free hub body to get more cogs. RT or someone else should be along with the info.
thanks for the information, I have Shimano 600 hubs and the ARaya ctl370 rims.
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Originally Posted by Vintage_Cyclist
I'm running a 28 tooth cog on both my 88 IM Master and my 85 IM, both with that same 600 Ultegra 6400 RD and the shifters in friction mode, both 7 speed. No problems at all.
are you using the original wheelset or is that a newer wheelset with cassette / freehub?
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Inspired by jetboys Carbon build I've decided to replace my pink cables with black ones.
Also I need a project and can't seem to find what im looking for. I actually had a line on three separate Dura Ace but within a week they were all gone! Even bid on the bay So im being patient and eventually I'll get me some vintage DA.
Speaking of my Carbon Ironman, I'm now thinking of leaving the aero bars on because I'm actually riding it on what amounts to my part two ride every Saturday. Turns out my riding buddy can't ride as far as I need to so after he leaves I ride again but use my Carbon instead of my Classic. So here's a slightly different pic of my Carbon Ironman with the pink cables and yeah I know it looks just like my last posted pic of it.
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Originally Posted by texaspandj
Inspired by jetboys Carbon build I've decided to replace my pink cables with black ones.
Also I need a project and can't seem to find what im looking for. I actually had a line on three separate Dura Ace but within a week they were all gone! Even bid on the bay So im being patient and eventually I'll get me some vintage DA.
Speaking of my Carbon Ironman, I'm now thinking of leaving the aero bars on because I'm actually riding it on what amounts to my part two ride every Saturday. Turns out my riding buddy can't ride as far as I need to so after he leaves I ride again but use my Carbon instead of my Classic. So here's a slightly different pic of my Carbon Ironman with the pink cables and yeah I know it looks just like my last posted pic of it.
Very nice. It looks fast and light.
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Originally Posted by Kars
are you using the original wheelset or is that a newer wheelset with cassette / freehub?
Both are using Shimano 600 Ultegra 6400 hubs, with a 7 speed uniglide cassette. The 85 is laced to Matrix rims, my Purple Haze 88 is laced to the original Araya CTL370 rims. I changed the original cogs on the 88 at some point to get up to 28 teeth. The 88's hub spacing is 126mm, so it should take any 7 speed cassette or freewheel without any problems. Some of the other guys here run more cogs on a 130mm hub by springing the chainstays out when they put on the wheel.
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Old 11-20-18, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by texaspandj
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Foghorn Leghorn would say, "boy, I say, boy, you get summa dat DA on that there....
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Originally Posted by Kars
Can someone recommend a wheelset that is lightweight for my IM Master? I want to keep the downtube friction shifters and original shimano 600 derailleurs. If possible I would like to have a 28 mm rear sprocket for lower gear option. Is that all possible without having to buy/install new derailleurs ?I don't mind having only 7 or 8 speed cassette.
Kars,

You have options, your bike being a 7-speed originally. What you have to understand is the bike came with a freewheel, which mounts directly to the wheel assembly. Around 1991, most good road bikes went to 8-speed, which had a freehub mounted to the wheel assembly, and a cassette that slid on and off, secured by a lock ring. Dura Ace had one that could do both. Those are out there, but you won't find a 28th cassette in that configuration. Dura Ace = Racing, and Racing = small cogs for big legs. They turned their nose up after 24t or 25t.

1-Original wheels, with the 6400 hubs and Araya rims, are pretty light, for then and not real bad for now. They "deaden" over time as the spokes stretch and get a bit loose. Often, a true and tension of the wheel really livens it up and it rides tighter and lighter.

2-You can get a 7-sp freewheel to go to 28 teeth. This will increase the weight, unfortunately, but the 28 teeth will allow climbing and higher revolutions, easier on the legs.

3-You can look for lighter wheelsets in a 7-sp configuration. I just sold "squirtdad" some 7-sp wheels that are easily 200g lighter than the ones that came on the Ironman. Unfortunately, going lighter with era-correct 7-sp wheels generally means meeting Mo. Mo Money. They are hot items for guys like us.

4-You can squeeze in any number of 8/9/10 speed wheelsets, there are thousands out there. Almost all are lighter than the originals. Not all will have better hubs than the ball-bearing 6400. For 1989, Centurion actually went heavier with the '89 Expert, using Suntour GPX hubs to match that group. Still, ball bearing smooth, and once you get moving, the weight of the hubs is not a factor in speed.

5-To use a more modern, and almost always lighter wheelset, you'll need a 4mm spacer, which are available almost anywhere, and a 7-speed cassette, available lots of places. You'll mount the spacer first and then slide the cassette on. Simple enough.

6-Mounting the wider 130mm rear that handles up to 10 speeds is simply a matter of technique. As you insert the wheel, grab the chainstays on both sides and press out with your thumbs while you slide the wheel in. It's called the oomph method. I just made that up.

I have a set of Performance's Forte Titan wheels you can have for shipping, probably about $30-$35 max. They are 8/9/10, so you'd need to find 1-a 4mm spacer and 2-a cassette. You should be able to find a 7-sp cassette up to 28th as they were made for mountain bikes, and touring bikes, back when 7-sp was around, and it stuck around a lot longer than after 8-sp came out.

I have others, much better wheels, I'd sell, like Bontrager Race X-Lite, a hand-built set of Velocity Road V's (bulletproof or for larger stronger riders), and a polished set of Rolf's that would cost you significant coin, and there's no need for that.

I'd go to the ISO/For Trade thread, and tell them what you want, and see what comes up. You'd be surprised.

My take, if you use the original drivetrain, is simply get the wheels trued and tensioned, find a 13-28 freewheel (Shimano if you can find one), get light tires and tubes (huge difference) and ride those great hubs like you stole them. They really are a nice wheelset.
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Originally Posted by Classtime
TWouldn't it be fun for Diamond Back to Market a new, lugged, Tange tubed, race bike? Equipped with 105(Expert) and Ultegra (Master)?

edit: over sized tubes and carbon fork designed for the frame. If it's tigged, ok fine. Not as Kool but ok fine.
I asked two different builders about re-doing the Ironman frame, TIG or lugged. Both said it would be easy. Unfortunately, they have to be able to eat, and even a run of 100 frames would be around $1200 each, minimum.

If you really want one, Mills Brothers in Advance NC make a frame nearly identical to the "Classic," same red/white scheme, using nearly the same lugs, etc. It is a remarkably well-balanced frame, a bit lighter than the Ironman and nearly indistinguishable from one with the right decals. I'd have one of those any day over a Torelli.

Were I to have an inkling, I'd have them make me one, custom sized to me, decaled as an Ironman, and get rid of all those bikes cluttering up my homespace. The problem is, I'd want one from Mills Brothers, one from Adam at Stanridge Speed, one from Toby Stanton at Hot Tubes, one from Ellis Cycles, one from Chris Kvale…. you see the problem.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
Kars,
I have a set of Performance's Forte Titan wheels you can have for shipping, probably about $30-$35 max. They are 8/9/10, so you'd need to find 1-a 4mm spacer and 2-a cassette. You should be able to find a 7-sp cassette up to 28th as they were made for mountain bikes, and touring bikes, back when 7-sp was around, and it stuck around a lot longer than after 8-sp came out.

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those titan wheels are pretty good- I ran them for a couple years on my look, and then on my IM- They ended up going to a student of mine on his Prelude. many years of service, no complaints!
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Just putting this out here. I have an 86 classic frame, made in 85 which has had a very bad paint job. If any of you Ironman want a project let me know. Sized 56, good steel.

I have my Ironman, 89 black dog expert so I am covered!
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
Just putting this out here. I have an 86 classic frame, made in 85 which has had a very bad paint job. If any of you Ironman want a project let me know. Sized 56, good steel.
And if you paint it purple, I have a fork for it.....

Since I finally have my ('88) Not Your Daddy's Ironman the way I want it.

The stem I want, with the cap I want.


I bought these wheels for someone else, and she changed her mind (to Zipps). They were just a hair over 1/3 the MSRP, so I kept them.


Something about the brand name was appealing, and the gold/black accents


These saddles are not that bad. Certainly light.


Back to a compact crank, regular RD, and 11-27 DA cassette.


The camera does not like all this lack of color.


FSA headset, Ritchey fork, 3T wheels. I'm promiscuous when it comes to parts....

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Originally Posted by texaspandj
Inspired by jetboys Carbon build I've decided to replace my pink cables with black ones.
Also I need a project and can't seem to find what im looking for. I actually had a line on three separate Dura Ace but within a week they were all gone! Even bid on the bay So im being patient and eventually I'll get me some vintage DA.
Speaking of my Carbon Ironman, I'm now thinking of leaving the aero bars on because I'm actually riding it on what amounts to my part two ride every Saturday. Turns out my riding buddy can't ride as far as I need to so after he leaves I ride again but use my Carbon instead of my Classic. So here's a slightly different pic of my Carbon Ironman with the pink cables and yeah I know it looks just like my last posted pic of it.
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Shiny! I like shiny.
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That’s just over the top bike p0rn!

As far as I get in the thought department with this 86 is to strip the cheap decals, spray bomb it another colour then ride it around with a 1X group.

Really truly, a fantastic collection of parts you have assembled for your Ironman!
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
And if you paint it purple, I have a fork for it.....

Since I finally have my ('88) Not Your Daddy's Ironman the way I want it.

The stem I want, with the cap I want.


I bought these wheels for someone else, and she changed her mind (to Zipps). They were just a hair over 1/3 the MSRP, so I kept them.


Something about the brand name was appealing, and the gold/black accents


These saddles are not that bad. Certainly light.


Back to a compact crank, regular RD, and 11-27 DA cassette.


The camera does not like all this lack of color.


FSA headset, Ritchey fork, 3T wheels. I'm promiscuous when it comes to parts....
that thing is intense!
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Happy Thanksgiving to all you IronTurkeys out there. Thanks for keeping me in check.
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Right back at you tex , Happy Thanksgiving .
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