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Old 12-09-18, 05:24 PM
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A person walks into a Centurion dealership in 1984-86 and tells the salesperson he/she is looking for a crit racer.
He has a handlebar in his pocket.
The bartender says "dude, you have a handlebar in your pocket."
"Yeah," he says, "and it's driving me nuts."

Ah, I missed that crit thing. Back in '85, I'd go to a Cannondale dealer and get an SC800.
Then I could race it in crits right up to now, because it's still that good. I didn't say comfortable.

I did ride a criterium on an Ironman, one time, novice class, and I warned guys not to wreck me, as the bike (at the time) was 20+ years old.
Pat, you'd know the area, the block just before you cross the bridge. Well, a dude did wipe out 3 of us. And his bike ended up in that river.
It happens.

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In the original question I said person walks into the Centurion shop looking for a crit racer. Which bike does the salesperson show the person? The reason I asked was that some of the other companies had different geometry frames/bikes for different types of racing. Miyata had the Team, the Pro, as well as the 9 series and that super rare model(not the tourer) with a 1?00 number. Lotus had the Legend and the Legend Compe. Same tubing and components,(first year) but different geometry and gearing. Like the Cinelli Equipe, they also had some Italian made/designed models. They also had that Aero framed model.
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Pat, you'd know the area, the block just before you cross the bridge.
I know that stretch, through the industial area just before crossing over the river. Bad concrete surface, very choppy.
Not a good place to wipe out...
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Ah, I missed that crit thing. Back in '85, I'd go to a Cannondale dealer and get an SC800.
Then I could race it in crits right up to now, because it's still that good. I didn't say comfortable.

I did ride a criterium on an Ironman, one time, novice class, and I warned guys not to wreck me, as the bike (at the time) was 20+ years old.
Pat, you'd know the area, the block just before you cross the bridge. Well, a dude did wipe out 3 of us. And his bike ended up in that river.
It happens.
Since the incident happened at a Pirate stronghold, I'm guessing you threw his bike in the river then made him walk the plank.

Kudos for the bicycle joke as well. I can use that with the "2 tired joke."

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Old 12-10-18, 02:27 PM
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yarg! bad news Irongents!


I got the carbon IM finally all done- even put on the decals! (wish I had not) and took it out for its first actual ride. There is something seriously wrong with it. something inside has come loose- and the whole frame flexes in a way that is not normal. not normal at all! this puts new meaning on wet noodle as I can just put my foot on the pedal and flex the frame 5cm to either side. yeah, its dangerous and unridable. DAMN!!!

we may have just got our candidate for cutting open to see how its put together.

Edit: it looks like its the top lug at the head-tube - no longer bonded to the tube. it just slide about. not sure that can be fixed. I suspect maybe if that one has gone, others are also loose. but hard to tell.

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OOOOHHH MAN ! What a bummer . And it looks fantastic . I vote wall art , no cut .
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heh. mostly i feel like an idiot as I did not ride it when it was "mostly" done just to check. the other day I was not quite done but ridable- but it was raining so I just sort half tried it, and did not pay attention enough. fail on my part!
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WOW!!! That is terrible Jetboy. That is definitely worse than noodle. My Carbon Ironman does none of that. And man your Carbon " Looks " really, really, Good.
​​​​​​​Maybe you're just Super human now. Have you been bitten by a spider lately? Too soon? I joke because I have a Carbon Ironman and I'm only nervously posting.
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We can send spaceships out and back, re-use them. We can fix this.
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Once the diagnosis is complete, we can work on the solution.
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Well once I get a chance its not too hard to figure out if I can fix or not. It seems just the head-tube connections. but its not good. you can hear it making little "irk irk noises" in there. got to take the front end apart and see if I can separate it all without doing more damage, and reglue/whatever needs done.

I feel bad as I just put the decals Robbie sent me! I even put some in the wrong places to make it more "mine".

PS: that is a cool NVO adjustable stem. I did not know they existed but its pretty cool. just one allen key and you slide it up and down as you like. pretty neat. I WAS excited to try it out.

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There are some very strong adhesives that we use in areospace that would definitely hold it as long as it was prepped right and had enough surface area. Don't give up on it yet.
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There are some very strong adhesives that we use in areospace that would definitely hold it as long as it was prepped right and had enough surface area. Don't give up on it yet.
I expect a tube in the mail!

yeah, i'm game to give it a try. nothing to lose at this point! and some experience and knowledge to be gained, and possibly even a functioning bike.
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I expect a tube in the mail!

yeah, i'm game to give it a try. nothing to lose at this point! and some experience and knowledge to be gained, and possibly even a functioning bike.
I guess we are talking carbon fiber to aluminum. Let me see what I can find out. I have a couple of things in mind that would likely work but we have a specialist and a mechanical engineer that might know what would be best. I work in manufacturing not repair so we use what the specs tell us to use and don't have to make decisions.
Here is my opinion of what will need to be done. Somehow you will have to separate the the failed joints even if the top tube or down tube is still holding. The bond may have failed due to age or possibly mold release or some kind of contamination not removed before assembly. Whatever happened you won't be able to inject anything. Then they will have to be cleaned and possibility roughed up and the adhesive applied. Everything will have to be aligned correctly before the adhesive sets up. After cure time you should then be good to go. Someone who builds frames will know how to get everything back right or maybe the joints will be tight enough that they will align themselves.
Anyone have any better ideas?

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here is my theory: it just did not have enough glue. every other joint on this bike has glue one can actually see extruding past the joint. but where the two lugs attach to the headtube-- only on these two can one see no glue. And this is where it seems to have failed. I wonder if it was a manufacturer defect on this one bike or its a weak point for others as well.
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here is my theory: it just did not have enough glue. every other joint on this bike has glue one can actually see extruding past the joint. but where the two lugs attach to the headtube-- only on these two can one see no glue. And this is where it seems to have failed. I wonder if it was a manufacturer defect on this one bike or its a weak point for others as well.
​​​​​​​Guess I'll be checking mine today.
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There are some very strong adhesives that we use in areospace that would definitely hold it as long as it was prepped right and had enough surface area. Don't give up on it yet.
I agree. Also in windshield repair, etc.

The only issue is access to the area that needs to be glued. There's external access and internal access. TXsailor's fix is the best, most thorough, etc. But that would really require something "beyond." Perhaps there is a way to defeat the bond at the lower head tube lug, and if there is, then that would be ace.

Without disassembling, you've got access issues, but it almost sounds like the bond you need to fix is the aluminum tube to aluminum sleeve at the head tube?
Externally approaching this, you can only make access via holes you drill, hope you're in the right spot, and inject some kind of adhesive viscous enough to get in there under minor pressure and get into the failed areas.

Here's hoping there's an engineer out there who likes this kind of a challenge. There are tons who like to tinker, and finding the right man or woman to do it would be a huge stroke of luck. We at Ironman Empire should be able to reach out if each of us asks someone.

There's likely a way, just beyond my experience level. The guy who sold me my Carbon-R is a freak expert on this kind of stuff. I'll try to reach out to him.

Maybe we could crowd-source the repairs. There's a big world out there.
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​​​​​​​Guess I'll be checking mine today.
Ironmen just make sure their swords are sharp, and go into battle.
Ride it hard until it fails. There is no danger, only the exciting unknown.
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Before we can proceed we will need more details and pictures. Jetboy When you can further diagnose it let us know
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Ironmen just make sure their swords are sharp, and go into battle.
Ride it hard until it fails. There is no danger, only the exciting unknown.
Funny you should say that. I was just thinking how I never bothered to look inside the carbon tubes and thought I'm just not as inquisitive as jetboy and, that all I want to do is ride them. And then I thought Nope I'd be putting my foot in my mouth as I ask more questions about Ironman than just about anyone ok ok second to fleslider. But the point is I never checked the carbon tubes and just figured I'd find out the hard way if they would fail. Because I had no intention of going easy on it. Then I read about failures in other vintage small diameter tube carbons and wondered. But jetboy instilled confidence in his findings of the compression plugs...and now I'm a little concerned. The fact is I still intend on using my Carbon Ironman for my 2019 season including training and racing. However curiosity got the best of me and I removed the handlebars and forks in order to peek at the innards. Well it turns out it IS aluminum wrapped carbon. Also no way to get to top tube from head tube. I decided to check the seat tube yeah definitely aluminum.
I brought my Carbon Ironman in to the house to check it out as I generally (like seypat) do my mechanicing in my place of business. Anyway my now 4 year old daughter said Mom said you're not supposed work on bikes in the house cause you'll get it dirty. However right after, she says I can help you if you want. As a stay at home dad/trophy husband I try to teach her about everything. As an older dad (I'm now 55) I want make sure she knows stuff I may not be around to teach her later. So she knows right tighty, most heavy construction equipment like bulldozer, grader, excavaters, and most importantly she's learning how to umm defend herself...not fight but defend herself. Especially towards bullies e.g. how to takedown, secure a dominant position, and armlock. Thankfully she has her Mom's athletic genes unfortunately for me it comes with my wife's body build. Think college softball player. Heavy bottom and wide shoulders. BTW the doctor said she's going to be 5'9" but could be as short as 5'7" or as tall 5'11" I'm hoping for the latter. To put it in perspective I'm only 5'7".
Back to my Carbon I had the headset adjusted perfectly before, but now not so sure, I'll have to ride it to make sure. That's a good enough excuse for me.

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Quote I brought my Carbon Ironman in to the house to check it out as I generally (like seypat) do my mechanicing in my place of business. Anyway my now 4 year old daughter said Mom said you're not supposed work on bikes in the house cause you'll get it dirty.

I read this sitting in my recliner in the living room with a bike tire & wheel a inner tube and a Silca pump I had been trying to get to work next to me leaning up against the coffee table. In the spare bedroom there are two Centurions one on the trainer and one leaning against the bed no one uses. I guess I am spoiled
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Before we can proceed we will need more details and pictures. Jetboy When you can further diagnose it let us know
I took the front end off and I did identify pretty clearly that it is the upper top tube where it attaches to the lug that is loose. it can pivot about that point. The top tube still seems firm- it is the whole lug that can move. I tried some basic things to try and remove it (pulling hard and rubber hammer) but no luck. I may have to rig up some sort of devise to pull it- its sort of a bad place to get at though- nothing really to grip as one pushes out.
I dont see anyway to inject anything- it needs to come apart.

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Quote I brought my Carbon Ironman in to the house to check it out as I generally (like seypat) do my mechanicing in my place of business. Anyway my now 4 year old daughter said Mom said you're not supposed work on bikes in the house cause you'll get it dirty.

I read this sitting in my recliner in the living room with a bike tire & wheel a inner tube and a Silca pump I had been trying to get to work next to me leaning up against the coffee table. In the spare bedroom there are two Centurions one on the trainer and one leaning against the bed no one uses. I guess I am spoiled
Ha! I built a bike last night in my living room while watching the NFL's latest version of "we really have no idea what the rules are."
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I took the front end off and I did identify pretty clearly that it is the upper top tube where it attaches to the lug that is loose. it can pivot about that point. The top tube still seems firm- it is the whole lug that can move. I tried some basic things to try and remove it (pulling hard and rubber hammer) but no luck. I may have to rig up some sort of devise to pull it- its sort of a bad place to get at though- nothing really to grip as one pushes out.
I dont see anyway to inject anything- it needs to come apart.

ill keep you posted.
If you can't get it apart without destroying the bike there are some very thin epoxy resins we used when I worked on boats. They are designed for soft spots on decks where the plywood core has rotted. They set up slow and are thin so they sort of seep into voids. I'll get you the name and source if you have to go that route. If you manage to get it apart there is no doubt in my mind it can be fixed with the right adhesive.
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