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Old 01-02-19, 03:24 AM
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I've had three Ironmen, one from new, but never had a Miami Vice. I now have one, or at least the frame .
Few of the components are original. So, what do I do?
It currently sports Mirage 8 Ergo, RD and hubs/cassette with Mirage monoplanes brakes. Unfortunately, the rims don't match, even color wise.
Also has a black SRAM FD, and a silver FSA crank w/black rings.
The black particularly isn't cutting it for me.

1. Simpleist fix - I have a matching rim front wheel, could swap the FD for silver, and swap out the rings.
2. Go back to 7s, mix of DA/600 that I mostly have on hand, so near an OE theme.
3. Or I have a tatty set of 8s DA STI, so could go with that.

Pics will have to be later, it's raining and the bike is out in the shop. It has "patina", so no worries about being any true restoration.

But what say the cognescenti?

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Cognescenti , haha good one . I'm not even going to try to be cognant . Now do what I say ! (hehe , I'm just being a funny jerk) you can ask tex . OK lets start with the fork , get a NOS one or more probably a good used one . The type with the Cinelli sloping crown . Have it chromed .

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Steel-Road-Bike-Fork-700C-1-Threaded-Columbus/113012849253?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=413381561285&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Now the frame , paint it candy apple red .

FD RD , Dura Ace 7400-7401 , and DT shifters .

A nice set of bars , Cinelli . Aero brake levers , 7400 DA .

A compatible wheelset .

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Steel-Road-Bike-Fork-700C-1-Threaded-Columbus/113012849253?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=413381561285&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

And if it's not to late make it tubular .

Tires , saddle , bar tape . Black , black , black .

And the saddle , a Selle Supercorsa in smooth black leather .
Lastly Velocals , just use the gold Centurion DT cals and HT "C" .
https://www.velocals.com/centurion/

Thanks for letting me build your bike Ex . mswesti thanks you too .

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Old 01-04-19, 03:14 AM
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I'd go with Option 2 or 3, all depending on how "tatty" the Dura Ace 8 speed is. Also, what year components is option 2?
No matter what you decide, it sounds like fun. We'd love to see pics when your weather permits.
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Old 01-04-19, 08:24 AM
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Now the frame , paint it candy apple red .................
FD RD , Dura Ace 7400-7401 , and DT shifters ..................
And if it's not to late make it tubular .
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I'd go with Option 2 or 3, all depending on how "tatty" the Dura Ace 8 speed is. Also, what year components is option 2?
No matter what you decide, it sounds like fun. We'd love to see pics when your weather permits.
Well, I see neither liked keeping the Mirage. Even though I'm a Campy man, it just doesn't seem right for an Ironman.

markwesti (& mswesti) I've been known to paint bikes even when they didn't demand it, but I'm sticking with the MV scheme on this one (though I might have to paint a sloping crown & swap out the UC fork some day)

teaxaspandj: the components I have are not date matched, but are in the 74xx groups. Any 600 will be similarly dated. The STI shift great, but would match patina. I'd probably go with a newer 8s wheelset, if I choose this.

I have an option 4 to add, too. I have a complete Sachs/Huret group that I just installed on a (too-large)Trek frame. A little heavier than DA, but not terribly so. Maybe I swap it over & sell the Trek frameset.
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Well, I see neither liked keeping the Mirage. Even though I'm a Campy man, it just doesn't seem right for an Ironman.

markwesti (& mswesti) I've been known to paint bikes even when they didn't demand it, but I'm sticking with the MV scheme on this one (though I might have to paint a sloping crown & swap out the UC fork some day)

teaxaspandj: the components I have are not date matched, but are in the 74xx groups. Any 600 will be similarly dated. The STI shift great, but would match patina. I'd probably go with a newer 8s wheelset, if I choose this.

I have an option 4 to add, too. I have a complete Sachs/Huret group that I just installed on a (too-large)Trek frame. A little heavier than DA, but not terribly so. Maybe I swap it over & sell the Trek frameset.
I'm assuming you've tried The 7400 series Dura Ace STI with more modern 8 speed cassettes? Reportedly they don't shift as well as when matched with the original dura ace 8 speed. But I have no experience with that...yet.

FWIW, I replaced the oem shimano 105 on my Miami Vice (expert) with my components from my '88 Ironman (master) tricolor 600 and I shaved almost 1.5 pounds. The original 105 components are so reliable and solid feeling and no hassles shifting, (especially the front derailleur that shifts like butta,) I now have my Miami Vice tore down and ready to reinstall the oem 105 components back on.

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I'm assuming you've tried The 7400 series Dura Ace STI with more modern 8 speed cassettes? Reportedly they don't shift as well as when matched with the original dura ace 8 speed.........
Although I have a nice shiny 8s UG cassette, I've not used it (no proper hub) I have used my 8s DA system with a new 8s [cheap] SRAM 12-26 cassette, and it shifts just fine. Maybe the UG would be better, but no issues w/the modern.
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Although I have a nice shiny 8s UG cassette, I've not used it (no proper hub) I have used my 8s DA system with a new 8s [cheap] SRAM 12-26 cassette, and it shifts just fine. Maybe the UG would be better, but no issues w/the modern.
Very good to know and duly noted.
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A Miami Vice is such and open and closed canvas.
You either go all in on polished, or all in on black, it seems.

(I had one in 8sp Ergo. It felt odd until I added the Vento's, then it all came together. I'd not go that far....)

I like the tattered 8sp DA. I just saw some NOS hoods the other day, cheap.

I have Suntour GPX here that I'm not using, but no hubs (on my Comp TA) BB is too wide, but I have calipers, levers, shifters, FD, RD, crankset w/caps. You can PM me. Pretty much the same as the Sachs-Huret, but very likely lighter.
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Years ago, I rented a Mirage Bianchi in San Antonio to ride around Castroville, and I was very impressed. I have a Miami Vice now and think the Black Mirage would be pretty fine. Are the Mirage pieces black?
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Years ago, I rented a Mirage Bianchi in San Antonio to ride around Castroville, and I was very impressed. I have a Miami Vice now and think the Black Mirage would be pretty fine. Are the Mirage pieces black?
Couple of as-bought pictures


and some of the black I'm not really digging, or maybe it's the fat silver crankarms - not sure.
The Mirage is not black, but the FD [partial], one rim, the handlebar and headset trim is. I think like RT says, monochrome componentry is probably best on the MV.
The Mirage shifts well, but it would be my only Campy 8s - don't desire another [incompatible] group. If Campy, I have a complete 10s group I could use.
You can get a better idea of the general condition of the frame in this second picture. Scrapes and chips but no dents, nothing serious.

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Not mine but Here's one in all black that I like very much.
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All black , well let's say 95 % black does look good .
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Not mine but Here's one in all black that I like very much.
Needs to be ridden by Sonny Crockett wearing a white linen suit and loafers with no socks.
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Purple/White IM on the Ebay/Craigslist thread. 75 bones in Connecticut.
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Campy (I know, Ergos too low). This looked a lot different when I put polished Vento's on it (the deep ones with decals that matched the fuscia). In fact, it looked entirely perfect, and I should have kept it.



Black (should have kept that one, too).
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Some black.

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Some black.
I always liked yours. Still do. Straight-up bike, right there.
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Some black.

I will mention the gearing so people will know what the stock derailleurs will do. That is a 52/42/30 crankset. The cluster is a 12-28 7 speed. The stock RD has no problem with that setup. It will not do a 30T. The upper jockey wheel makes contact with a 30 cog. Go to a Deore if you need a 30+ in the back. The stock FD will not move in far enough to shift a 3rd ring. But the 600 will. That front/rear gearing combo is hard to beat. Lots of range. 2T jumps through the 18T, then 2 3Ts and a 4T jump. Lots of options.
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...The cluster is a 12-28 7 speed...
Freewheel or cassette? If freewheel, which brand? I haven't found any 12-28 on the SunRace site.

Currently I'm using a 50/39 chainring combo and 13-25 SunRace freewheel. Not bad overall on normal days.

Sunday was windy and I wanted to tackle some PRs. I got my PR on a tough climb (and best of 2019, for what little that means -- it's still two minutes slower than the KOM). And nearly beat my number 2 spot just a few seconds behind the KOM on a fast downhill.

But I had to tackle a 2.25 mile climb into a 20 mph gusty headwind twice to tackle that downhill. That was a chore with a 39/25 climbing gear combo, tho not as awful as the original 42/24.

Both efforts showed some shortcomings in my current gearing. With the 50/13 combo I was spun out at 130-140 rpm, 40 mph. I could usually get a little more top end with the old 52/13 gearing. Being nearly spun out at 40 mph downhill is... exciting. If by exciting I mean almost terrifying. Which I might. I'm not as steady at high rpms as I could be. Around 110, I'm still stable. So I'm thinking a 12 cog might help, since I like the ramped and pinned Vuelta SE Plus 50T -- smoother shifting.

And on the climbs the 39/25 was a real chore -- didn't leave much quad/hamstring in the bank for the other PR attempts. I had a SunRace 14-28 freewheel on the Ironman for awhile and the 39/28 combo felt fine on our climbs, even with some headwind. But the 14 cog rubbed the Ironman's chainstay dropouts, just enough to scrape the paint.

I suppose eventually I'll consider a new wheelset and cassette. Easier to find a good gear range for these aging legs. I recently updated my old Univega from 13-28 7-speed cassette to 12-32 8-speed. Wasn't difficult with the right wheel/hub. And the bigger cog really helps on climbs.
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Sachs made a super nice 12-28 7 speed freewheel. I have one on my Bottecchia record.
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Freewheel or cassette? If freewheel, which brand? I haven't found any 12-28 on the SunRace site.
Shimano HG70 cassette. I think there are plenty of 11-28 7 speed freewheels out there.

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Sachs made a super nice 12-28 7 speed freewheel. I have one on my Bottecchia record.
One of those is on the Bay right now for $60 OBO. There is also a 12-26 for $19.99. The 12-26 and a smaller 2nd ring might work well for canklecat. There are 2 12-26 on the Bay. The $19.99 is preowned. The other is new for $35.

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Thanks. Those Sachs freewheels would probably do fine on a friction shift setup.

I'm reluctant to spend much on a freewheel because the Suntour GPX Accush!t system is so finicky. I've got it working almost perfectly now after much cussing and fussing, with a SunRace 13-25 chromed 7-speed freewheel. It shifts nicer than the original Suntour 13-24 Alpha.

I might try a chromed SunRace 13-28 if I can find one. The closest I could find on Amazon was the SunRace blued carbon steel 14-28, which was really intended as a replacement for the Shimano MegaRange models for low end MTB/hybrids and comfort cruisers. It's certainly better than those Shimanos -- the MegaRange tend to cause skipping with anything other than a narrow chain, while the SunRace works with most chains. But that particular 14-28 SunRace had a slightly loose bearing fit and the clinking BBs bothered me. So I moved it over to my Globe Carmel errand bike. The 14 tooth smallest cog forced the chain to rub slightly against the Ironman's dropout, scraping some paint. If I set the wheel in the dropout to avoid scraping, it wouldn't shift reliably in index mode. But a 13-28 should be okay.
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Not sure if I got to this one just in time or too late. I was passing the area to visit my brother's family so dropped by and picked it up with my gf. Way too big of a frame for me, a nasty rusted/spot on the top tube and best of all a stuck seat post. Rims are garbage as well. Apparently the guy I got it from was the original owner.

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