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Old 10-12-15, 08:36 PM
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Oddjob, what size is that frame? The reason I'm asking is that I use the pump peg/no pump peg as a quick sizing reference. If the model is supposed to have one and doesn't, I know it is one of the smaller sizes. I do not know the exact size that the smaller frames have them. My wife's Team Miyata has one and it is a 52cm. You have had/have lots of Japanese bikes. Would 52cm be where the pegs start? Anyone else who might know should chime in. BTW, the 56cm Japanese Ironman I have does not have a pump peg. One more difference.
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Originally Posted by seypat
Oddjob, what size is that frame? The reason I'm asking is that I use the pump peg/no pump peg as a quick sizing reference. If the model is supposed to have one and doesn't, I know it is one of the smaller sizes. I do not know the exact size that the smaller frames have them. My wife's Team Miyata has one and it is a 52cm. You have had/have lots of Japanese bikes. Would 52cm be where the pegs start? Anyone else who might know should chime in. BTW, the 56cm Japanese Ironman I have does not have a pump peg. One more difference.
Looks like a 50 cm.
CIM starts pump peg at 54 cm.
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It's a 49 or 50cm
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Originally Posted by oddjob2
It's a 49 or 50cm
According to the centurion catalog CIM came only in even numbers. Starting with the 48 Terry style (smaller front wheel) in 87. RobbieTunes has stated they measured them funny. Which throws everyone off.

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i measure both mine at 59cm - must be measuring funny.
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Quick reference guide from an unreliable source:

CIM's were "offered" even cm only.
Measured from c-bb, along the seat tube, to the lower part of the scalloped opening of the seat cluster lugs.
Roughly the same as c-bb to top of TT, but not exactly.
That's just how Centurion sent them out to the masses....

50cm: head lugs pretty much touching behind the head tube. No peg.
52cm: head lugs not touching, about 1.5cm space between them, behind the head tube. No peg.
54cm: Pump peg is centered on the back of the head tube between the lugs. TT=55cm c-c
56cm: Pump peg is about 5/8-2/3 "up" from the DT towards the TT, on the back of the head tube. TT=56cm c-c
58cm: Pump peg is about 3/4 "up" from the DT towards the TT, on the back of the head tube. TT=57cm c-c
60cm: Pump peg is about 7/8-9/10 "up" from the DT towards the TT, on the back of the head tube. TT=58cm.

Most often confused are the 56cm and the 58cm, because they are pretty close.

60cm is pretty clear; tons of real estate below that pump peg down to the DT.

Bear in mind, even with CIM's funny measuring, many people think they have a 55cm or a 57cm or a 59cm Ironman.
They're right, they do. It's just in the measuring, and however you measure your bike is the way you fit your bikes.

It's of major importance before you buy an Ironman, so get one that fits.

After that, It's a 60-second topic of conversation between drinks of your favorite beverage.
Because, by then, you know the deal.
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Wow, minimal brake wear, appears intact. (and a Klein is a keeper).

That 'Vice would be perfect for Henry III down there in the mitten thumb.

You know, the Ironman may be the only bike that has an album named after it.
The Doobie Brothers. "What Once Were Habits Are Now Vices."

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Yesterday, I was at a dinner in the NE corner of NJ to celebrate dad's 91st. I had scouted on craigslist a neglected mango/violet Centurion IM expert earlier in the day in Tappan NY, about 12 minutes north on 9W from the club we were having dinner at. Brought my allen keys and a flashlight, made a break for the seller's house right after birthday cake and then headed back to pickup my parents.

I was tempted to lowball, but asking price was low already. Paint is ok. Looking at the tires, chain, and saddle, years of neglect, but the seat post and quill move fine. Except for pedals, I believe all 105 components are there. This tiny bike will be probably be refurbished to pay for the Klein I posted today as well.

While I was getting my Mini S fueled this afternoon, full serve is mandatory in NJ, a silver haired gentleman in a suit spotted the Ironman hanging off the rack in back and came up to compliment me on my fine taste in competition bikes. Turns out he has one that he actually does some triathlons with and is known as the guy with the vintage steel racer. He asked if I wanted to sell him the bike. LOL

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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
Quick reference guide from an unreliable source:

CIM's were "offered" even cm only.
Measured from c-bb, along the seat tube, to the lower part of the scalloped opening of the seat cluster lugs.
Roughly the same as c-bb to top of TT, but not exactly.
That's just how Centurion sent them out to the masses....

50cm: head lugs pretty much touching behind the head tube. No peg.
52cm: head lugs not touching, about 1.5cm space between them, behind the head tube. No peg.
54cm: Pump peg is centered on the back of the head tube between the lugs. TT=55cm c-c
56cm: Pump peg is about 5/8-2/3 "up" from the DT towards the TT, on the back of the head tube. TT=56cm c-c
58cm: Pump peg is about 3/4 "up" from the DT towards the TT, on the back of the head tube. TT=57cm c-c
60cm: Pump peg is about 7/8-9/10 "up" from the DT towards the TT, on the back of the head tube. TT=58cm.

Most often confused are the 56cm and the 58cm, because they are pretty close.

60cm is pretty clear; tons of real estate below that pump peg down to the DT.

Bear in mind, even with CIM's funny measuring, many people think they have a 55cm or a 57cm or a 59cm Ironman.
They're right, they do. It's just in the measuring, and however you measure your bike is the way you fit your bikes.

It's of major importance before you buy an Ironman, so get one that fits.

After that, It's a 60-second topic of conversation between drinks of your favorite beverage.
Because, by then, you know the deal.
Thanks oddjob2 and Robbie. Very interesting! The wife's Team could be a 54 then and my size range might move up one size each way. Those 57-58s could be in range now!

That might explain the reason the Ironman and other "tri" bikes of the era were marketed as such. It also might give the rumors of a geometry change in the late 80's some truth. Vintage French bikes have reputations as being great all day/all around riders because they they have longer TTs, and are stretched a little bit. The same might be said of the 80's "tri" bikes. I think previously on this thread I discussed the similar frame geometries between my Ironman and a 1985 Miyata 912 I have. Using Robbie's methodology, I took measurements of the 912. I found out that the Miyata is measured from the BB center to the top of the pointed part of the lug. It is listed in the catalog as a 57 but has a c-c ST of 55ish and a TT of 56.5. Miyata made the Univega Gran Premio with identical dimensions. I'm guessing that the "tri" bikes from the Japanese companies such as Centurion, Miyata, Univega, Lotus, Nishiki, etc. all had very similar geometries. The Miyata Team and 9xx series had very different geometries in 1985. The 9xx was in the middle with the Team on one end of the extreme and the touring bikes on the other. But if you look in their catalogs, the 9xx series starts changing in 1987. By 1989 or 1990 the Team and the 9xx series have identical geometries. Gone are the longer wheelbase and slacker angles.

Once that Blue and White bike arrives, Robbie can take the measurements and see if the changes did occur. The Miyata catalogs are online with all of the angles listed. They may not be a perfect match, but I am guessing they are very close.
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Originally Posted by seypat
....... It also might give the rumors of a geometry change in the late 80's some truth....
Back a couple of years ago, I still had my '86 (from new), and I had picked up an '88 and an '89 frame. The '86 resembled the 58cm geometry that RT quotes above, but the later frames had longer top tubes for a given seat tube than in that chart. I didn't try to measure any angles.
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As a follow up, Robbie and I are about the same height with similar dimensions for leg, torso and arm length. Looking at those running pictures he posted, he might have been more studly back in the day with the ladies. Last year at SOTR we were discussing bike fit. As I remember, we both ride the 54-56 range but prefer a 56 with a shorter stem over a 54 with a longer stem. The 54 with a longer stem puts more weight on the front wheel and the bike doesn't feel as good. That might be why these bikes work so well for us. I can ride a 56 square, but not that much of the seatpost is showing. I have a 1972 Lejuene that has a ST around 54 and a TT around 56. That is perfect! The longer TT in relation to ST is what works for me. Maybe that's why I don't have a modern bike with compact geometry. Naaaaw, I'm just cheap. Plus, I know I would not be any faster on the new bikes. I'd still be at the back of the pack getting dropped.
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Originally Posted by Ex Pres
Back a couple of years ago, I still had my '86 (from new), and I had picked up an '88 and an '89 frame. The '86 resembled the 58cm geometry that RT quotes above, but the later frames had longer top tubes for a given seat tube than in that chart. I didn't try to measure any angles.
Well, my theory might be wrong. What about the length of the chainstays and the wheelbase? In the 9 series the chainstays and wheelbase got shorter, mostly because of the chainstays shortening.
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Originally Posted by seypat
Well, my theory might be wrong. What about the length of the chainstays and the wheelbase? In the 9 series the chainstays and wheelbase got shorter, mostly because of the chainstays shortening.
The TT felt longer to me when I set up & rode similarly outfitted bikes, so that's why I measured & compared them. Didn't dig any further, so I can't shed any light on wheelbase or chainstays.
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Originally Posted by Chuckk
Anybody have a comment on this?
I always thought that most Centurion bikes and the IronMan in particular were built by Panasonic.
But last week, somebody said it was Kawamura for the IronMan.
Serial number sequence seems to be the same, so does anybody have knowledge, or at least opinions on the constructor?
The two ive had both say Kawamura on the NDS chainstay
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Hey all - new to the forum, thread, and riding in general.

I have a 1986 CIM that I bombed around college on back in 2002 and has been sitting in my parents attic for the last 10 years. Recently decided to get back into some competitive sports and wanted to try my hand at an Ironman. Had my folks send out the bike and have been devouring the threads on here for what to fix/change, etc...

Got the bike today, sweet as I remember it, but after all my reading I realized that I had been riding a bike way to small for me all those years. I am 6' and the ST measures 52cm (I think). In college it didn't matter what size the thing was, funny to read everyone on here talk about how fast of a bike it is...I definitely remember hammering down to outrun the campus cops on their MTN bikes a few times and thinking it was absurd how slow they were.

For whatever reason I don't have too much interest in another bike at this point. The new Tri-Bikes aren't that appealing to me, I really like the look and what I remember of the feel of the CIM. After reading all of your posts on the subject my opinion has solidified somewhat. Anyways, no real point to the post, wanted to say thanks for the thread and the info sharing. All you CL/eBay dudes out there watch out...I'm hunting for an Ironman.
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Originally Posted by Frog33
Hey all - new to the forum, thread, and riding in general.

I have a 1986 CIM that I bombed around college on back in 2002 and has been sitting in my parents attic for the last 10 years. Recently decided to get back into some competitive sports and wanted to try my hand at an Ironman. Had my folks send out the bike and have been devouring the threads on here for what to fix/change, etc...

Got the bike today, sweet as I remember it, but after all my reading I realized that I had been riding a bike way to small for me all those years. I am 6' and the ST measures 52cm (I think). In college it didn't matter what size the thing was, funny to read everyone on here talk about how fast of a bike it is...I definitely remember hammering down to outrun the campus cops on their MTN bikes a few times and thinking it was absurd how slow they were.

For whatever reason I don't have too much interest in another bike at this point. The new Tri-Bikes aren't that appealing to me, I really like the look and what I remember of the feel of the CIM. After reading all of your posts on the subject my opinion has solidified somewhat. Anyways, no real point to the post, wanted to say thanks for the thread and the info sharing. All you CL/eBay dudes out there watch out...I'm hunting for an Ironman.
First Welcome to the forum and Ironman club. You deciding to get another CIM shows that you're smarter than most, and on the right track. Post a pic of your ironman so we can help determine the size and year. Curiously what size do you think you need?
Sidenote : I think you'll feel more official and at home once RobbieTunes welcomes you. I know I did.

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Originally Posted by texaspandj
First Welcome to the forum and Ironman club. You deciding to get another CIM shows that you're smarter than most, and on the right track. Post a pic of your ironman so we can help determine the size and year. Curiously what size do you think you need?
Sidenote : I think you'll feel more official and at home once RobbieTunes welcomes you. I know I did.
I'm flattered, but welcome to the forum, where all of us are above average intelligence and good looking, just because of our bikes.....

You'll not regret getting back to your inner and outer Ironman, and good on you for helping your parents make some space. I'm thinking 58cm as a reference point, but you just never know. Be patient, they're out there, and we hope you can pretty much swap out the bikes and save some dough. You will be well-equipped for sliding by plenty of people on bikes that cost the same as a used car.
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Robbie/Texas - Thanks for the welcome.

Just from what I have read online about sizing, I agree a 58cm or thereabouts is probably the place to start.

Here is a pic of mine - straight out of the box this am. Needs cleaned up, but still super cool. After looking at the Sheldon Brown site I am inclined to think it is a 1988 (based purely on what he says about the paint scheme).



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Robbie/Texas - Thanks for the welcome.

Just from what I have read online about sizing, I agree a 58cm or thereabouts is probably the place to start.

Here is a pic of mine - straight out of the box this am. Needs cleaned up, but still super cool. After looking at the Sheldon Brown site I am inclined to think it is a 1988 (based purely on what he says about the paint scheme).



Ya'll have a good one
That's a 88 CIM expert 56 cm. You could make that work for you, ( since you have before with that longer than OEM stem ) however a 58cm would probably feel better / more comfortable or go up to 60cm. It really is about rider feel when it comes to fit as opposed to what looks right, imo.
Cool bike though with a lot of potential. Scratch that, "unlimited potential". If you don't believe that last sentence, look back at the previous posted pics and how different and unique everyone's ironman is but yet somehow the same.

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Originally Posted by Frog33
Robbie/Texas - Thanks for the welcome.

Just from what I have read online about sizing, I agree a 58cm or thereabouts is probably the place to start.

Here is a pic of mine - straight out of the box this am. Needs cleaned up, but still super cool. After looking at the Sheldon Brown site I am inclined to think it is a 1988 (based purely on what he says about the paint scheme).



Ya'll have a good one

My size. All of a sudden, I'm hungry.
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Good job, Ironman folks.

Those of you who helped me, thanks.

He's buying it.

World domination, one bike at a time.

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My size. All of a sudden, I'm hungry.
R.T. you've inspired us, but I can't help but think we've re-inspired you! What's that make for you 2 CIM now (recently acquired 89 included). I finally got you beat at something as I have 5 CIM currently.......well as long as we don't count the 100 you've owned, sold, and or gave away. Hah
Sidenote: I'm thinking bout trading/selling my Miami vice 56 cm frame and fork only for a preferably 54cm or smaller. But that's only if I can find one. Otherwise I'll hang on to It as it's fast.
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I've been babbling about my hub re build over on bike mechanic section , but because I think most of us are using the Shimano 600 6207 hubs I thought I'd share now that it's all said and done . I really only needed to replace one cone in the front but decided to to replace all with new cones/ bearings . I put in a call to Wheels Mfg. as they are I think the only source for 600 cones so we worked up a list . The rear hub went together easy , front not so much . Called back to W M , they sent me out some different ones (free) and all was good .


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Glad it worked out for you markwesti.
Man super clean parts make me wanna wash/clean my 86.
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