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Old 02-25-16, 08:36 PM
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Hi Texaspandj! Thanks! When I first installed the wheels, they were mounted with Panaracer Pacela TG's, 27X1 1/8". There was more room with that tire profile. Nice tires, but they wore very quickly. When I mounted these, I moved the axles in the dropouts a skosh, or maybe it was a tad further out. Still have lots of room there. Also, I switched brake calipers from the Pano's DiaComp to some Trec takeoffs. Never did like the feel or braking of the DiaComps. The replacement calipers have a slightly more robust body design which came too close to the tires. Every twig or leaf would pass around the tire and catch in the narrow space. It sounded like an alien ship was following me! I ground off about .025" of the hanging caliper with a Dremel and barrel sander. No more issues.
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Yes it's expensive and we know it's a 86. But check out the condition. If i could take one thing from this Ironman, it would be the wrap. I bet RT would take the wheels. My 86 has the original wrap and is tearing, but just can't seem to bring myself to replace it. Well unless I could find some original wrap. Anyone have some?
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Yes it's expensive and we know it's a 86. But check out the condition. If i could take one thing from this Ironman, it would be the wrap. I bet RT would take the wheels. My 86 has the original wrap and is tearing, but just can't seem to bring myself to replace it. Well unless I could find some original wrap. Anyone have some?
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Rear wheel condition doesn't match the rest of the bike. Even if a rider NEVER used the front brake, there still should be some wear commeasurate with that rear wheel.
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beautiful sloar, and yes, those bars are the business.
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Sloar, very nice indeed. Those bars give your cool Ironman a unique look. Dang it you beat me to it.

RT, I think the 86 Ironman on the bay is legit. When you compare the wheels, it appears to be the lighting. My MVs last posted pic looks like that as well, but it's not.

Here's one for the taller type.
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RT, I think the 86 Ironman on the bay is legit. When you compare the wheels, it appears to be the lighting. My MVs last posted pic looks like that as well, but it's not.
Oh, it's "legit."

BUT

The rear wheel is worn in more than one picture, and the front is obviously like new. The spoke and inner face of the rear wheel looks pretty clean, so it's very likely that someone just used the rear brake in lieu of both brakes. It would be a great nearly NOS bike if someone could find an NOS rear rim and lace it in. Otherwise, some owner who actually wants to "ride lots" is going to have to replace that rim.
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Oh, it's "legit."

BUT

The rear wheel is worn in more than one picture, and the front is obviously like new. The spoke and inner face of the rear wheel looks pretty clean, so it's very likely that someone just used the rear brake in lieu of both brakes. It would be a great nearly NOS bike if someone could find an NOS rear rim and lace it in. Otherwise, some owner who actually wants to "ride lots" is going to have to replace that rim.
Dang it Robbie you're right........again. I just looked at the pics with my reading glasses. Some days 5 o'clock am is too early to post pics. But I'll proly do it anyway.
Something weird happen to my left knee yesterday. Gonna ride 20 miles on my classic or yellow fade to test it out my knee. Kinda anxious about it, so if all goes well I'll be doing 80 tomorrow. Oh high of 72 and sunny today. Later Irongents.

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Took my "classic" I named Boss Man out on a 20 miler to test my left knee before tomorrow's long ride. As I've said my Classic is a soldier and does anything I ask of it without complaint. Trainer? No problem. Rain,training,racing,short or long ride, Bring it. So I told him tell me what's on your mind . The following is the conversation :
BM: Bout time you took me outside.
Me: Sorry, at least I got you some new shoes.
Bm: Why are you always riding that purple tri bike? You know there's a reason there are more red/white out there than any other colors.
Me: I know, I just like to try different stuff now and then. Man those new tires feel good, way better than those commuter tires (trying to change the subject)
Bm: Did you notice your average speed increased almost 2mph?
Me: Yes.
Bm: Why do you think that is?
Me: I don't know, comfort?
Bm: You're welcome. And by the way, always talking about how great your other Ironman are is not helping our partnership.
Me: Well no more trainer for you, that's why I replaced your tires. I made a deal, with the empire I mean Mrs. And now I get to ride outside instead. Woohoo!

And so Irongents, now I get to ride all my bikes outside except if it rains then Boss Man will be on the trainer.
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Good on you. I put an Ironman on the trainer once, and it said "you either find another bike or we're done." I also put a triple on a black '89 Expert, and I heard him crying in the night. Next morning, someone had stabbed my Nishiki Sport. I had to send said Expert away for his own good.

You know it's bad when you have to go out and ride in the rain, and when you get to the garage, your aluminum bike's tires are all topped off and the Ironmen won't look you inthe eye.

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Took my "classic" I named Boss Man out on a 20 miler to test my left knee before tomorrow's long ride. As I've said my Classic is a soldier and does anything I ask of it without complaint. Trainer? No problem. Rain,training,racing,short or long ride, Bring it. So I told him tell me what's on your mind . The following is the conversation :
BM: Bout time you took me outside.
Me: Sorry, at least I got you some new shoes.
Bm: Why are you always riding that purple tri bike? You know there's a reason there are more red/white out there than any other colors.
Me: I know, I just like to try different stuff now and then. Man those new tires feel good, way better than those commuter tires (trying to change the subject)
Bm: Did you notice your average speed increased almost 2mph?
Me: Yes.
Bm: Why do you think that is?
Me: I don't know, comfort?
Bm: You're welcome. And by the way, always talking about how great your other Ironman are is not helping our partnership.
Me: Well no more trainer for you, that's why I replaced your tires. I made a deal, with the empire I mean Mrs. And now I get to ride outside instead. Woohoo!

And so Irongents, now I get to ride all my bikes outside except if it rains then Boss Man will be on the trainer.
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Hi everyone, I have just been led here by researching on the 'net about my recently purchased bike frame which I'm building up and I have been spending some time reading some of the Centurion threads here.

But I don't even know if I'm properly qualified to post it here on this thread because it's an Aussie version 'Expert' (1987 model) and it doesn't say 'Ironman' anywhere on the frame... does that mean I can't be part of the cult?!


Plus it's a bit of a bastard build, far from original and still unfinalised as I decide on stem length, bartape, saddle... I bought the frame and a few parts on gumtree from a guy and he told me it could accept a 10 speed upgrade. Later I measured the OLD and sure enough it could, it was 130mm. He didn't say whether he'd coldset the frame from 126mm himself and I didn't ask but the rear wheel with a 5500 105 hub he also sold me had fit straight in no problem. I happened to have a 7 speed cassette with a nylon spacer I'd rejected from another bike that worked ok with that. I couldn't wait to try out 7 speed (well, 14) downtube shifting once I'd gathered enough parts
to ride the bike.

Bought some new cables and toe clips and straps and took it out for its inaugural ride on 52/42 chainrings (non-biopace but that's ok, I've read they can be bad for your knees.. could that be causing texaspandj's knee problem...?) and 12-13-14-15-17-19-21 cassette and it was so exhilarating that I didn't even really notice that to be a very hard combination. Probably because I was adjusting to new-to-me downtube shifting, i was excited, people were doing double-takes... and everything.



The guy was likely the original purchaser as he also told me that that saddle was original, but I'm not really fussed about the saddle. It seems that I got more recent-than-original (better? so far that front derailler has worked flawlessly) 105 derailers from him (1055, not the older SIS ones), but I happened to have a 600 rear derailer and 600 dual pivot brake calipers that matched so I put those on (anything to earn me 'Ironman' status... whether it's 'Master', 'Expert' or 'Novice'...). I'm also not fussed about doing anything about the scratched up paint except rust-prevention, it's beyond trying to touch it up... I call it 'character'...

I've also recently found a Centurion 'Team Pursuit' from 1987 but I'd need to take some pictures before I post about that, probably in the Centurion serial no. thread (along with this bike), is that data still being collated usefully? having bought these used I'm a bit scared to do that in case someone tries to claim them back from me!
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Awesome Aussie, and welcome to the forum and Ironman thread in particular.
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Hey sroller , welcome aboard . Don't worry about being qualified , they let me hang out here . Isn't a "Expert" a " Ironman" ? Show us your dropouts . That is one funky stem though .
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maybe dave scott was not such a name in Australia... probably was gonna cost them some serious $ to do it and they figured not worth it.
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maybe dave scott was not such a name in Australia... probably was gonna cost them some serious $ to do it and they figured not worth it.
RT thinks it probably has more to do with The Ironman TM. But I guess it could be Dave Scott related as I read when he signed the signature deal he ended up making more money than a lot of the executives at centurion which is why they ultimately stopped. I guess no one anticipated that. Idk, but either way cool bike.
Sroller, I suspect my knee issue has more to do with a kicking drill I was engaged in the day before rather than the biopace chainring. You really don't notice the odd shape chainrings unless you look down at it. Supposedly they were designed to strengthen the weak part of your pedal stroke and there by creating more power overall. I really can't tell the difference but hope it's doing just that.
My uncle was commenting on how my appearance hasn't changed much over the years. And I said luckily my knees are good. Then he quipped how are your nephews? I said my knees not my niece. I think he was joking, but difficult to tell. His humor is as dry as mine.

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I wonder if the Australian bikes were sold by WSI or by the still existing German Centurion company, which marketed similarly specced bikes with the same names and color schemes.
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You really don't notice the odd shape chainrings unless you look down at it. Supposedly they were designed to strengthen the weak part of your pedal stroke and their by creating more power overall. I really can't tell the difference but hope it's doing just that.
I've always hated the feel of the bio-pace rings with a passion. They lasted one season on my 88 Purple Haze then got swapped out for round rings.
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Thanks for the warm welcomes and also for the wealth of knowledge shared about Ironman bikes and other Centurion bikes, it feels great to be part of that and to know that my bike has such a cool history.

Here are pictures of the dropouts, as requested -
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Thanks for the warm welcomes and also for the wealth of knowledge shared about Ironman bikes and other Centurion bikes, it feels great to be part of that and to know that my bike has such a cool history.

Here are pictures of the dropouts, as requested -
The new pics really show the extent of your rust issue. Some of the guys here have the skill and patience to make it look factory fresh. And when it's beyond that, they will repaint or powder coat. However I'm with you. Character is a good word but abuse also comes to mind. If it were me I would refer to the cleaning method prescribed by RobbieTunes earlier on this thread. Then treat rust spots and finally clear coat it. Then it would shine like a diamond. A good friend of mine paints cars and and thats what he used to clear coat mine. But I know there are people who rattle canned it with very good results.
Bottom line your bike is as new and unique to us as Seypat's Japanese issued model, which is super cool.
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Originally Posted by sroller View Post
Hi everyone, I have just been led here by researching on the 'net about my recently purchased bike frame which I'm building up and I have been spending some time reading some of the Centurion threads here.

But I don't even know if I'm properly qualified to post it here on this thread because it's an Aussie version 'Expert' (1987 model) and it doesn't say 'Ironman' anywhere on the frame... does that mean I can't be part of the cult?!


Plus it's a bit of a bastard build, far from original and still unfinalised as I decide on stem length, bartape, saddle... I bought the frame and a few parts on gumtree from a guy and he told me it could accept a 10 speed upgrade. Later I measured the OLD and sure enough it could, it was 130mm. He didn't say whether he'd coldset the frame from 126mm himself and I didn't ask but the rear wheel with a 5500 105 hub he also sold me had fit straight in no problem. I happened to have a 7 speed cassette with a nylon spacer I'd rejected from another bike that worked ok with that. I couldn't wait to try out 7 speed (well, 14) downtube shifting once I'd gathered enough parts
to ride the bike.

Bought some new cables and toe clips and straps and took it out for its inaugural ride on 52/42 chainrings (non-biopace but that's ok, I've read they can be bad for your knees.. could that be causing texaspandj's knee problem...?) and 12-13-14-15-17-19-21 cassette and it was so exhilarating that I didn't even really notice that to be a very hard combination. Probably because I was adjusting to new-to-me downtube shifting, i was excited, people were doing double-takes... and everything.



The guy was likely the original purchaser as he also told me that that saddle was original, but I'm not really fussed about the saddle. It seems that I got more recent-than-original (better? so far that front derailler has worked flawlessly) 105 derailers from him (1055, not the older SIS ones), but I happened to have a 600 rear derailer and 600 dual pivot brake calipers that matched so I put those on (anything to earn me 'Ironman' status... whether it's 'Master', 'Expert' or 'Novice'...). I'm also not fussed about doing anything about the scratched up paint except rust-prevention, it's beyond trying to touch it up... I call it 'character'...

I've also recently found a Centurion 'Team Pursuit' from 1987 but I'd need to take some pictures before I post about that, probably in the Centurion serial no. thread (along with this bike), is that data still being collated usefully? having bought these used I'm a bit scared to do that in case someone tries to claim them back from me!
Aussie Centurions were marketed as Triathlon (Insert Model). So yours is a Triathlon Expert, the equivalent of the Dave Scott Ironman Expert. Same minor differences on paint, and decals, otherwise spec'd the same.

The Team Pursuit is an Aussie only model. Sid Patterson was an Aussie cyclist and Centurion made a frame called the Team Pursuit in the distinctive White with black decals. Tange 5 IIRC, so not really that high end.

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Hey sroller , welcome aboard . Don't worry about being qualified , they let me hang out here . Isn't a "Expert" a " Ironman" ? Show us your dropouts . That is one funky stem though .
As above, the Ironmans were known as Triathlons in Australia.

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maybe dave scott was not such a name in Australia... probably was gonna cost them some serious $ to do it and they figured not worth it.
See above. I'm not sure of the reason though.

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I wonder if the Australian bikes were sold by WSI or by the still existing German Centurion company, which marketed similarly specced bikes with the same names and color schemes.
The Aussie frames do have serials which follow the WSI sequence.
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My uncle was commenting on how my appearance hasn't changed much over the years. And I said luckily my knees are good. Then he quipped how are your nephews? I said my knees not my niece. I think he was joking, but difficult to tell. His humor is as dry as mine.
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I opine that the reason the Ironman trademark was dropped is simple: money. I was running for a shoe company about this time, and the "market" was evolving. We really have people like Dave Scott and Carl Lewis to thank for the changes, and of course, Michael Jordan. When Timex picked up the Ironman logo, it really pushed the price up. If I remember, Cannondale had an Ironman model, as did Kestrel, but anyone buying the rights to use that trademark paid dearly, probably a lot more than WSI did. Heck, even Huffy, I think, put out an Ironman mountain bike. I've had an Ironman helmet, and may pick up another one, locally, for $5. Think about how much the trademark is still generating, with all the Ironman events still being put on, Timex still cranking out the watches, etc. Look pedals even came in an Ironman logo.

Dave Scott's endorsement ran it's course by 1989, and after his accomplishments, what he'd have to do for an encore would have been near-impossible. By then, his book was selling, and it was a crowded field for triathletes and endorsements. Allen, Pigg, etc, the female competitors were finally getting their due, and so on. People must also remember that Centurion/WSI got out of the road bike business about that time, and it's clear that WSI retained the Expert/Master ideas as far as model recognition into the 90's with their products in Australia and Asia, as well as the early Diamondback road bikes.

It's always a combination of things, and then you have differences in markets. Australia had it's own star triathletes, and combine that with licensing and market research, perhaps Australia and the Asian market were not going to justify the expense on producing Dave Scott endorsed bikes and the cost of the Ironman logo.

What all this did was create the interest and curiosity that exists today. Would we be as interested if the Ironman model had continued into the 90's, into aluminum and then alumi-carbon, and then carbon? Would we have this interest in the cool versions like seypat's? How about the unique things we're seeing out of Australia? New members, newcomers, all good, all the time.
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I opine that the reason the Ironman trademark was dropped is simple: money. I was running for a shoe company about this time, and the "market" was evolving. We really have people like Dave Scott and Carl Lewis to thank for the changes, and of course, Michael Jordan. When Timex picked up the Ironman logo, it really pushed the price up. If I remember, Cannondale had an Ironman model, as did Kestrel, but anyone buying the rights to use that trademark paid dearly, probably a lot more than WSI did. Heck, even Huffy, I think, put out an Ironman mountain bike. I've had an Ironman helmet, and may pick up another one, locally, for $5. Think about how much the trademark is still generating, with all the Ironman events still being put on, Timex still cranking out the watches, etc. Look pedals even came in an Ironman logo.

Dave Scott's endorsement ran it's course by 1989, and after his accomplishments, what he'd have to do for an encore would have been near-impossible. By then, his book was selling, and it was a crowded field for triathletes and endorsements. Allen, Pigg, etc, the female competitors were finally getting their due, and so on. People must also remember that Centurion/WSI got out of the road bike business about that time, and it's clear that WSI retained the Expert/Master ideas as far as model recognition into the 90's with their products in Australia and Asia, as well as the early Diamondback road bikes.

It's always a combination of things, and then you have differences in markets. Australia had it's own star triathletes, and combine that with licensing and market research, perhaps Australia and the Asian market were not going to justify the expense on producing Dave Scott endorsed bikes and the cost of the Ironman logo.

What all this did was create the interest and curiosity that exists today. Would we be as interested if the Ironman model had continued into the 90's, into aluminum and then alumi-carbon, and then carbon? Would we have this interest in the cool versions like seypat's? How about the unique things we're seeing out of Australia? New members, newcomers, all good, all the time.
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