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Old 02-28-16, 04:56 PM
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Following up on a previous post, I'm slowly getting a 1986 CIM ready for sale. Special thanks to RobbieTunes for sending me some 105 shifters that indexed correctly.

I've got it mostly done: new tires/tubes/cables/bar tape/bearings/grease, everything cleaned and polished, etc. Just need to get a shakedown ride in and make any final adjustments.

A question for the CIM crowd: better to sell with new saddle/pedals or original? The Turbo is in somewhat rough shape with a crack on the top, so I figure a new saddle makes sense. One of the dust caps is missing on the pedals, so I'd think I should replace those as well. Both replacements come out of my parts bins, so easy enough.

Here's a side by side (click any pic to enlarge), first with all original, then with the new saddle and pedals. I may be over-thinking it.



Here's a close-up of the Turbo:


And I left a sticker on the bike beneath the Tange 1 label. Turns out the bike was actually raced in the Ironman World Championship, Oct 30th 1993 in Hawaii. Sticker #0136 . Don't know who the racer was. Any of you there?
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Sweet. I like the looks with the new saddle.
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I'd leave the old saddle and peddles. Anyone buying it is more likely than not to swap out those items for something to their preference anyway, even if you put newer stuff on it.
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Nice. My favorite year and color...
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Originally Posted by texanpandj
The new pics really show the extent of your rust
issue. Some of the guys here have the skill and patience to make it
look factory fresh. And when it's beyond that, they will repaint or
powder coat. However I'm with you. Character is a good word but
abuse also comes to mind. If it were me I would refer to the
cleaning method prescribed by RobbieTunes earlier on this thread.
Then treat rust spots and finally clear coat it. Then it would
shine like a diamond. A good friend of mine paints cars and and
thats what he used to clear coat mine. But I know there are people
who rattle canned it with very good results.
Bottom line your bike is as new and unique to us as Seypat's
Japanese issued model, which is super cool.
I did read about RobbieTunes' cleaning methods not long ago and will
reread, and also about oxalic acid treatments, touch-ups, paint
approaches and so on throughout the site... these things have been
on my mind. Thanks for the tips. I may look into options regarding
investing in a quality spray gun and learning about more durable
paints.

For now I'm in no real hurry as I keep changing parts around to
compare in my experience of riding the bike. I'll probably end up upgrading to 10 speed STIs with a
compact crank and a good wheelset to drop riders on carbon bikes
and then think about optimal cosmetics (the sky's the limit - I may
do a custom Ironman 'Novice' decal for it for a laugh), but i'll
certainly be avoiding further abuse, keeping it away from moisture,
etc.
Originally Posted by QuangVuong
The Team Pursuit is an Aussie only model. Sid
Patterson was an Aussie cyclist and Centurion made a frame called
the Team Pursuit in the distinctive White with black decals. Tange 5
IIRC, so not really that high end.
I think you are referring to a different model called just Centurion
'Pursuit' which I've seen examples of for sale on gumtree eg.

Centurion pursuit | Bicycles | Gumtree Australia Newcastle Area - Cooks Hill | 1105469111
Centurion city bike | Bicycles | Gumtree Australia Inner Sydney - Newtown | 1073102402

Mine's different, it says 'Team Pursuit', and it's Tange 2. Here it is this afternoon - still in hipster mode not too different to how I acquired it (but still seemingly original except for the stem, bars, saddle brake levers and pedals) but that's going to change.



I'll post more pictures and details later as since as it takes time the site keeps logging me out and I don't want to lose the information I post.
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Originally Posted by CO_Hoya View Post
Following up on a previous post, I'm slowly getting a 1986 CIM ready for sale. Special thanks to RobbieTunes for sending me some 105 shifters that indexed correctly.

I've got it mostly done: new tires/tubes/cables/bar tape/bearings/grease, everything cleaned and polished, etc. Just need to get a shakedown ride in and make any final adjustments.

A question for the CIM crowd: better to sell with new saddle/pedals or original? The Turbo is in somewhat rough shape with a crack on the top, so I figure a new saddle makes sense. One of the dust caps is missing on the pedals, so I'd think I should replace those as well. Both replacements come out of my parts bins, so easy enough.

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And I left a sticker on the bike beneath the Tange 1 label. Turns out the bike was actually raced in the Ironman World Championship, Oct 30th 1993 in Hawaii. Sticker #0136 . Don't know who the racer was. Any of you there?
Well, if you assume that Bike #136 goes with Bib #136 , it belonged to Bruce Murray from Colorado.
Finish: 1021
Bruce W Murray
Colorado, US
Male 56
BIB: 136
Swim: 1:08:16
Bike: 6:28:53
Run: 4:45:05
12:22:14
Male 55 to 59
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Well, if you assume that Bike #136 goes with Bib #136 , it belonged to Bruce Murray from Colorado.
Finish: 1021
Bruce W Murray
Colorado, US
Male 56
BIB: 136
Swim: 1:08:16
Bike: 6:28:53
Run: 4:45:05
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Male 55 to 59
Nice detective work. Apparently, Mr. Murray is still an active competitor, at least in swimming.

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For curiosity's sake...

German Ebay - A Centurion 'Miami Vice' Triathlon Expert

Centurion Triathlon, RH 59, 28Zoll, Suntour SVX Team, 2x6 Accushift | eBay

The German company went with a Suntour, Dia-Compe, SR component group on these. Frame is Tange Infinity.
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On the subject of Ironman triathlons. For several reasons, but most importantly, I didn't register in time to participate in IM Texas on May 14, 2016. So unfortunate and idiotic on my part as I'm just getting back in to shape and was looking forward to a fun day with intentions of completing and not competing the event. The fact is when I finally had enough funds saved up to register they were full.
No worries though. I'll continue my same training plan with the exception of stopping at 100 miles for my long ride and 20 miles for my long run and then kick it down to, and keep it at 50 miles and 12 miles respectively. Stuff happens and I'm over it. My tough Sunday long ride made it easier to accept.
My wife has decided she will participate in the same triathlons I compete in. She has a new job that allows her off every weekend. This promises to be one of the best summers since 1986, which will be hard to top. So all is not lost.
I rode only 70 miles yesterday instead of 80 on my purple haze with aero bars. The first 50 easy, next 10 tough, last 10 tougher. After the ride my lungs were burning as if I had run a marathon or a all out triathlon. I didn't take the wind with gust of up to 20 mph into account. But happy to say my fitness level is at about 60 percent. Moving on up.
Later Irongents.

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Originally Posted by Vintage_Cyclist View Post
For curiosity's sake...

German Ebay - A Centurion 'Miami Vice' Triathlon Expert

Centurion Triathlon, RH 59, 28Zoll, Suntour SVX Team, 2x6 Accushift | eBay

The German company went with a Suntour, Dia-Compe, SR component group on these. Frame is Tange Infinity.
What year is it? Where does Infinity fall on the hierarchy of Tange? Is this company still making them? It looks like a Cool steel bike to me.
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The German company went with a Suntour, Dia-Compe, SR component group on these. Frame is Tange Infinity.
I don't think that's a product of the German company called Centurion. It may be a European market Centurion originating in Japan with WSI or some agreement-spec setup. Not sure the decals are original, either. I could be wrong, but I'd have to see a catalog to be convinced. The German company, as far as I know, never used Tange frames.
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On the subject of Ironman triathlons. For several reasons, but most importantly, I didn't register in time to participate in IM Texas on May 14, 2016. So unfortunate and idiotic on my part as I'm just getting back in to shape and was looking forward to a fun day with intentions of completing and not competing the event. The fact is when I finally had enough funds saved up to register they were full.
No worries though. I'll continue my same training plan with the exception of stopping at 100 miles for my long ride and 20 miles for my long run and then kick it down to, and keep it at 50 miles and 12 miles respectively. Stuff happens and I'm over it. My tough Sunday long ride made it easier to accept.
My wife has decided she will participate in the same triathlons I compete in. She has a new job that allows her off every weekend. This promises to be one of the best summers since 1986, which will be hard to top. So all is not lost.
I rode only 70 miles yesterday instead of 80 on my purple haze with aero bars. The first 50 easy, next 10 tough, last 10 tougher. After the ride my lungs were burning as if I had run a marathon or a all out triathlon. I didn't take the wind with gust of up to 20 mph into account. But happy to say my fitness level is at about 60 percent. Moving on up.
Later Irongents.
Glad you had a good ride, and if you have the training time, keep an Ironman distance in mind. The problem is, doing the "Ironman" has become cool in the well-healed crowd that has coaches and personal trainers, time to train, the wherewithal to fund it all. I even know of people who get their employers to foot the entry fee. The Ironman has marketed itself as an "elite" event, and most of the people who now do it consider themselves elite people. I've seen entry fees as high as $2500 and the event still sell out.

Save your money, train with your wife, and enjoy both the training times and the events together. You at least can have conversations with people who aren't all about their latest times, splits, gear, VO2 Max, BMI, AP band, etc, complaining about the way the bike shop changed their last tubulars on their Zipps. The Ironman is no longer an event for amateurs with whom I can relate. Heck, I know "sponsored" runners who have never broken 16:00 in a 5K and 34:00 in a 10K. When the cars that pull into the lot have more expensive bike racks than any bike I own, I know there will be few people around who are at my "normal guy" level, in attitude or approach. There will be some, though, and I still try to find them, but they're fewer and farther in between.

The best triathletes I ever met were some of the first ones in line for the beer. One trained out of Dave Scott's book, an an old Trek Aluminum, and raced it, with toe clips. Another rode a steel Brew that was clear-coated over the bare metal, and swam and competed in running shorts and no shirt; his shoes were so old I have no idea how he fastened this cleats. The other was "The Man," as nice a guy as you want to meet. He was as interested in how you found the time to train as any other aspect of your routine.

Don't worry about an Ironman. Stay in shape, and one will come up.
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Thanks Robbie.
When I think back to 1986 I only competed in a few triiathlons but I trained a LOT. I had a great girlfriend at the time and man what a great summer. I read everything I could about swimming, biking and running. I hit the library,used book stores, magazines racks and couldn't get enough. Coincidently my favorite triathlon book and the one that used the most common sense was Dave Scott's.
I stopped competing in triathlon when my daughter was about one yrs old in 1993. Towards the end I started competing in duathlons. Eventually stopped that too. Priorities and all that. So most of my knowledge is based on Those years I was in it. Which means I'm familiar with all the original components on the Ironman and major athletes of that era. I don't know much about the newer stuff like octilink, threadless stems, sram, carbon fiber, and such. But I'm learning. But I'm like a time capsule of what used to be. The way I see it if it worked for Bernard Hinault, Greg Lemond, Mark Allen, Scott Molina, yeah it should work for me.
I think the last tri I did was in 93. Then I did 3 in 2009. Then a half Ironman (TM) in 2013 on my 50th birthday. I trained, lost 30 pounds and despite 2 flats, completed it. Soon after I started dating my wife and stopped training completely to spend all available time with her. It was great she's great. I eventually gained my weight back. But most importantly she became pregnant. The problem, she never wanted kids and I was through raising mine. But life's like a roller coaster sometimes. So I decided I needed to get back in shape for my baby girl. Being an old dad has its challenges and I want to be at least physically prepared. Fortunately (I think) my wife is 20 yrs younger than me. I always tell people who ask what I do for a living "I'm a stay at home dad/trophy husband". When I think about the age difference , it sounds odd but then I remember my dad was in World War Two when my mom was in like first grade. He was 20 yrs older than my mom also. Ok enough over sharing.

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Just look at it this way: for every elite athlete at an Ironman event, there are 50 more who could beat that person's pants off, just given the opportunity to train and equip for it. That, I sincerely believe. Triathlons involve training time and facilities and equipment that most people can't come by. Despite triathlons being 3 different aerobic exercises, most people who do one of them detest at least one of the other two, which is why you rarely get a "natural" triathlete, but they're out there.

I've tried to "recruit" a few triathletes, and it's especially hard to get young male athletes to do it. If they run, they generally don't swim, and getting them onto a bike is too dorky. If they swim, they may have the mentality to get on a bike, in bike kit, but most swimmers detest running. I've not found a high school cyclist yet. Female triathletes, different story. I've seen the best come from soccer. They don't mind running. Due to Title IX, they often swam in the winter if their school had a team, and all it takes is for them to see other female triathletes, and they're game. I think the female triathletes are much more supportive of novices than the male triathletes.

Which is why, doping or not, I think Lance Armstrong could have been big for the sport of triathlons, if they'd have just let him do it. He was very, very good at it before he concentrated on cycling, and I think he'd have brought a lot of people to the sport.
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You are correct sir. How bout this? There are people out there who are world class runners and will never run.
We all pick our own destinys yet somehow we are where we are meant to be.
Looking back now I realize I was in the middle of triathlons hey day. Back then I was looked upon as different or crazy training 4 to 6 hours a day, five days a week The last triathlon I was at, watching my wife. Completely different. It's definitely for the masses now and more main stream. Not everyone could wear a speedo, Like in yesteryears. And that's a good thing. More Americans participating in any sport is good.
The last triathlon I "participated" in was eye opening. It was a half Ironman (TM) and it was my 50th birthday. So they had the bike transition divided by age groups. So I passed rolls of 20-24 not me 25-29 not me 30-34 still not (about the age I stopped competing) 35-39 not me and so on. And I started thinking so what I'm fitter than I've been in years, I've lost 30 pounds ,feeling good. And dang it I'm 50 and gonna swim 1.2 miles bike 56 miles and run 13.1 miles. Shoot I'm doing good. So what if I'm not that faster guy I used to be, not afraid to go with fastest biker in town and run with good runners. And the fastest home town boy in my hometown triathlon. I'm still good. Then I got to the 50-54 and (forgetting it was a Hawaii IQ) and it looked like I stepped in to the filming of a p 90s video shoot. I thought, I really got to step up my nutrition game. Later Irongents.
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My running team was proof that experience was not necessary, just mileage and the urge to go fast. I have no doubt there are kids out there I can set on a bike and they'll be better than many experienced cyclists. Two kids I know were cross country runners and thought they'd hop on a bike, ending up pro's. No pedigree or history behind them.

CrossFit. My dad called that dairy farming.
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On my last ride I rode on a three different tires but the same basic wheels and the same route. It's not my usual route,so much bumpier.
Centurion issued wolber rims and Panaracer pasela tour guard, clement strada lgg, and Vittoria zaffiro.
Pasela were harder than I anticipated and I could feel every bump on the road. I thought they would have a soft ride because they said tour guard. Boy was I wrong.
The clement were hard, yet very forgiving.
The Vittoria were light and fast yet forgiving.
The clement were my favorite. The just smooth out that road and made me think I was in my 20s again. But in my 20s I used the very rock hard continental slick tires. I used them the most because they lasted the longest.
Subjective I know, but I highly recommend clement strada lgg. What tires do you recommend?

I'll be riding my 88 yellow fade on my hill repeats today. High of 72 with strong southerly winds. No more spring fever for me. But this is spring like weather. Enjoying it while I can. Although I know the dog days of summer are coming. With Temps in the 100's daily. I won't stop biking though. Laters.

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I know there's a lot of threads about tires, but since I trust y'alls opinions more, especially since y'all ride steel I thought I'd share. Most of experience is based on the tires I rode in the 80s. Back then I tried several til I settled on
Perhaps you want to share a little more.....

OK, I'll go:
86 Ironman: Tufo C S33 Pro tubular clincher 700x24: 90psi F/130psi R. I carry a spare tire plus CO2, so I run this bike "heavier" than most. The tires ride great, and my change in approach to psi seems better. I'd prefer not to carry a spare, but I do. This is my main bike. $55/pair on eBay from eu-bike shop.

87 Ironman Master: Tufo C S33 Pro tubular clincher 700x24: 90psi F/130psi R. I do not carry a spare with this one, but some Stan's sealant. I am not enamored of that concept, but I'll use this approach on this bike unless I have a flat and it doesn't work. Sent by accident by eu-bike shop, which did NOT combine shipping on the other set, so I sent them $20 and they told me to keep this set.

87 Ironman Expert: Mavic Griplink/Powerlink 00x23 Combo: They run fine, will wear quickly. 90psi F/130psi R. These are great racing tires, and they came on the wheels (Ksyrium Equipe). I'm too lazy to change them, and too cheap to buy new tires, so they're there until they wear out, then not. I see a lot of them on sale these days, mainly due to poor tire life. They can run $70-$100 for a set. For the money, get the Continental Attack/Force combo instead.

88 Ironman Expert: Veloflex Master 700x23. 90psi F/130psi R. They ride great, wish I had them in 25 instead, and they're fairly ugly. I sort of wish I'd gotten black. I will not replace them with same, because the price is generally too high. I got these from a BF member. They run $70-$80/pair on sale.

89 Ironman Expert: Panaracer Technova 700x19. Horrible tires, but they stay as OEM. That's it. I doubt they'll ever need replacing, and they're so hard, I doubt the bike will get many miles with those things on it.

87 D'Arienzo SLX: Panaracer Practice 270: 90psi F/130psi R Good enough for me and their limited use. These look perfect on the bike and ride as well as any tire I've had. They're "training" tires, but I seriously doubt they make a bit of difference on the ride. I carry a spare, because these do NOT have removable cores for any kind of sealant. Not real happy about that, but they were $3/each at REI's yard sale, new.

89 Carbon-R: Vittoria Zaffiro Pro 700x23: 90psi F/130psi R. Super pretty, nice tire for riding, I'll probably stick with them if they wear out. About $50-$70/pair on sale.

87 Bridgestone Radac: To Be Named Later. I've got a bunch of mismatched "race" tires that I can put on this when I get it done. It will be a climbing bike, so it will have lighter tubes and lighter tires, but as long as they're black and decent and don't flat, I'm fine. This bike will always get whatever take-offs are in the garage, except Michelin ProRace tires, which are flats waiting to happen, and I give them away.

If I had to go with one clincher tire on all of my bikes, for the price, durability, and performance: Continental GP4000S-II (Chili compound) 700x23 or 25.
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Oops, my toddler daughter sent that.
Besides a contradiction in terms, what is a tubular clincher?
What's the difference between Vittoria zaffiro llg and the pro?
All the tires I have were already on wheels and I swapped around. The only tires I purchased new were continental ultra sport that are now on my wife's bike. But they are not what I used to use in the 80s. I don't remember what I used before I think they were super sport. They had dark tan sidewalls and very durable.
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Good timing on the thread topic. I have some old serfas 23 seca tires on the look and they need to change.. but i need puncture proofing for sure riding in oakland.

BTW: I use conti grandprix GT 25s on redman (ironman) which may not be the lightest, but feel good and grip well on corners taken fast-

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Good timing on the thread topic. I have some old serfas 23 seca tires on the look and they need to change.. but i need puncture proofing for sure riding in oakland.

BTW: I use conti grandprix GT 25s on redman (ironman) which may not be the lightest, but feel good and grip well on corners taken fast-
If puncture resistance is your primary objective, then might I suggest freedom thicksllicks. They are slicks and they look cool. They'd look even better on your new look, which BTW looks pretty dang good.
I used them for training tires but I think they're made for commuting. I think they have expanded into other markets now. Bound to be some to your liking/needs.

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If puncture resistance is your primary objective, then might I suggest freedom thicksllicks. They are slicks and they look cool. They'd look even better on your new look, which BTW looks pretty dang good.
I used them for training tires but I think they're made for commuting. I think they have expanded into other markets now. Bound to be some to your liking/needs.
thanks for the tip. they are similarly priced to the GTs but look like they might have even better protection. The Look gives the IM a run for its money for sure. I have been riding them alternately and its fun to compare - and also learn and make improvements to both as each has points I like in terms of gearing/ergos/etc.. and in this case tires where the conti GT stand out 2x above the serfas. (but are also 2x as expensive.. so no great surprise).

one thing i noticed.. in reference to another thread on riding with no hands... I can take my hands off the Look at any time, do pretty much anything, and it just goes straight- really surprisingly easy. heck the other day I was sending texts. The IM I can take my hands off, but they take some effort and concentration to keep control of - no way I am sending texts. somewhere in the geometry of the frames...?
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Oops, my toddler daughter sent that...

Besides a contradiction in terms, what is a tubular clincher?
Figured something interrupted....

A tubular clincher is a tubular tire with a bead on the sidewall that fits on a clincher rim.
No rim strip needed, no tube needed. No glue needed. You snap it on and fill it up.
It goes on without levers, and comes off without levers.
It's basically a tubular but in a sealed rubber casing instead of a cloth part that has to be glued down.

Mine use a removable valve core, so if you want to use sealant or something like that, you can.
Like regular tubulars, they generally need valve extenders for deeper rims.
People say you can't repair them, but it's possible, if you wanted to cut through the casing to the tube, find the leak, and patch it.
You'd then need to probably glue a couple of layers of casing you went through first to get to the tube.
I'm sure Tufo and the other firms do not recommend patching their tubulars.

Myself, I wouldn't know, having never had a flat on one.

No one says the ride is equal to a high end tubular, or maybe even a mid-range tubular. The C S33 Pro is a 60TPI tire.
In 700x22, I liked them for the clean and easy mounting, flat protection, and durability. The ride was admittedly not silky.
In 700x24 + the new psi I'm running, there's a world of difference, and the ride is comparable to my Veloflex Master 700x23's.
They are a heck of a lot cheaper, and of course, you either carry sealant or a spare, so don't save much weight.
You do save a ton of time on the side of the road if you have a flat. Snap off, snap on. I wouldn't know, haven't had one.

If the price stays in the $27-$28 range per tire for the 24's, I'll get more if and when my other clinchers wear out.
I'd prefer to start rolling on regular tubulars instead, just a preference thing, but that's a luxury I can't afford right now.
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Because Wolber rims came on IM's these would be cool ,Wolber Invulnerable Sew Up Glue on Tires for Tubular Rims One Pair 2 Tires Mint | eBay except did IM's ever come with tubulars ?
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thanks for the tip.
one thing i noticed.. in reference to another thread on riding with no hands... I can take my hands off the Look at any time, do pretty much anything, and it just goes straight- really surprisingly easy. heck the other day I was sending texts. The IM I can take my hands off, but they take some effort and concentration to keep control of - no way I am sending texts. somewhere in the geometry of the frames...?
When I was teenager my dad bought me a 12 speed western auto bike. It was a pretty good bike. Me and a friend went on a 20 mile ride in blue jean shorts, on the way home we stopped and ate a pie and milkshake. Boy to be young and dumb.
Anyways, that's the only bike I could ride no hands. I could even turn corners. I'm not sure why though. Maybe the headset was tight or I was just brave enough to practice it .
The bulk of all my riding was on my pinarello. But I've also owned a schwinn, panasonic, quintana roo, mountain bikes, and of course the Ironman. Couldn't do it on any of them.
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