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Fletch521 09-23-11 05:29 PM

What the hell is this?
 
1974 Raleigh International(??) Champagne Vintage Bicycle

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...#ht_773wt_1413


...and he is selling it "as is" with a "a money back guarantee"

rootboy 09-23-11 05:44 PM

That's a pretty nice hundred dollar bike.

repechage 09-23-11 06:07 PM

Looks rusty International to me.

I do wonder about these private auctions though, with the cloaked bidder identity, is it not redundant to hide the bidders? Unless one is going to have a shill drive up the bids...

sailorbenjamin 09-23-11 06:28 PM

Nice enough bike but not an international. Wrong lugs.

auchencrow 09-23-11 06:43 PM

Looks like a Franken-Prix to me. Service fork, and some pretty nice upgrades.

gmt13 09-23-11 06:45 PM

Serial number would indicate 1981 vintage. Did Raleighs ever use Simplex and Mafac? My early 70s Competition used Huret shifters so maybe. "It measures 22" from seat post to stem" - this is handy to know.

I agree that a hundred bucks would be a reasonably good deal

-Gary

auchencrow 09-23-11 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by gmt13 (Post 13270392)
..Did Raleighs ever use Simplex and Mafac? ...

These bikes normally had Simplex DRs.
The Seller lists " Brakes Front/Rear: Weinmann Center pulls MAFAC Racer" brakes. Likely he means the LEVERS are Weinmanns (probably original) and the calipers are Mafac (replaced).

I don't trust the serial number given by the seller. (Too many digits after "NA" (Nottingham, January, xxxxxx) )
I would guess it's really an early 70's GP

photogravity 09-23-11 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by Fletch521 (Post 13270078)
1974 Raleigh International(??) Champagne Vintage Bicycle

...and he is selling it "as is" with a "a money back guarantee"

Fork is bent...

SteveSGP 09-23-11 08:39 PM

It's got the same lugs as my '79 Nottingham Super Grand Prix but mine doesn't have the wrap around seat stays.

repechage 09-23-11 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by sailorbenjamin (Post 13270322)
Nice enough bike but not an international. Wrong lugs.

You are correct. I should have not missed that. Super Course?

auchencrow 09-23-11 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by repechage (Post 13270970)
You are correct. I should have not missed that. Super Course?

Not SC. Grand Prix

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...ndPrix002a.jpg

jacksbike 09-24-11 12:13 AM

My two cents is that it is more likely a Grand Prix than it is an International. The paint color is similar to the Champagane used on the International. However, it does look more like someone took a Grand Prix and installed Mafac brakes and a Sugino Maxy cotterless crankset. Plus the replacement fork.

cudak888 09-24-11 12:24 AM

It is a Grand Prix with enough parts swapped to fool someone into believing...




...that it is a Super Grand Prix.

-Kurt

randyjawa 09-24-11 04:46 AM

4 Attachment(s)
It is not an Raleigh International! The bicycle is most likely a Grand Prix or a Criterium, both of which featured the full wrap around seat stay. I doubt that it is a Super Course but I could be wrong about that.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=219903 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=219904

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=219905 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=219906

randyjawa 09-24-11 04:51 AM

2 Attachment(s)

...that it is a Super Grand Prix.
I know that I have not seen all of the Raleighs made, but I have not seen a Super Grand Prix with the wrap around seat stay...

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=219907 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=219908

Incidentally, there was nothing super about the Super Grand Prix, in my opinion.

rootboy 09-24-11 05:48 AM

That's a pretty nice hundred dollar bike.

cudak888 09-24-11 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by randyjawa (Post 13271647)
I know that I have not seen all of the Raleighs made, but I have not seen a Super Grand Prix with the wrap around seat stay...

Good point - though I wouldn't put it past Raleigh.

-Kurt


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