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Old 10-02-11, 03:04 PM
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Cinelli? What is this?

According to a fellow on craigslist this is a cinelli. From the pictures all I can see is that it has Campy hubs, Sugino Mighty crankset?
If anything how about some help ID'ing this frame?





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Old 10-02-11, 03:31 PM
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Hmmm...from the pics provided, the only things I can tell are it's big and blue

Any chance of the seller providing you with more detailed photos? Oh, and those might be Campy 1010a long dropouts at the rear.

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Old 10-02-11, 03:32 PM
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I don't think so. Stem might be Cinelli....
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I don't think the bicycle is a Cinelli. More likely a mid level eighties something bicycle from Japan's bicycle machine, would be my guess.
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Well, from what I see it's not lugged which is sort of a turn off for me.
Here are the rest of the pictures the seller provided.







Not much to work with but it's something.
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Looks like a nice bike! Not a Cinelli, but a nice bike. Sellers are often confused because they see Cinelli on the BB and maybe the stem and bars and assume the whole bike is a Cinelli. It looks fillet-brazed or internally lugged or something like that from what I can see, and Cinelli never used that seat-cluster/seat-binder. Nonetheless it looks like it's got good components on it, and it's a pretty blue...
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+ 1 on the parts. Your newest pics show a first-generation Cinelli 1A stem with the oval "Milano" engraving and those appear to be early Campione del Mondo or Giro d'Italia bars.

A nicely fillet-brazed frame is nothing to sneeze at, BTW. A lot of handwork goes into building one of those. This might be a custom and worth some outlay in that case.

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What is the BB shell width? 70mm? (Italy) 68mm? (most of the rest of the world)

I love those platform pedals.
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Thanks for all the input guys. If anything here's the craigslist ad if any of you are interested. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/2628726140.html
She replies rather quickly by email which is how I got the pictures.
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I think this bike is 70's rather than 80's. You'll notice the 5 speed cluster in the back (120 spacing) and the fact that it's all clamp. Whoever put those components on it was a bike person, I like the choices they made (Cyclone, old Cinelli, Sugino). It looks like how I would put it together. I'm very curious about this frame. It looks very well made to me. Who knows, it could be something really interesting. If I were you, I'd point out to the seller that it's not a Cinelli and then offer 200 bucks. A cool mystery bike...

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^ +1 on this. It certainly is worth $200 and it would be fun to try to find out what it is/who built it.

Interesting to note what appears to be two different treatments to the cable routing over the BB shell: front derailleur guide looks to be the split type, which runs a housing between two stops, while the rear guide is of the Campagnolo type that simply guides the exposed gear cable.

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I love the paint... and the transitions from the stays to the rear dropout. I'm calling it - I think this one's something special. Someone buy it so I can find out if I'm right!
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^ What are you waiting for DF?



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^ What are you waiting for DF?



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I wish. I don't have a bike budget anymore . Plus, she's so far away...
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Today's the day, then: buy a Lottery ticket

Alas, I feel your pain...

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Looks English to me. Maybe a Mercian, or something along those lines?
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Today's the day, then: buy a Lottery ticket

Alas, I feel your pain...

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I have a new system. I am going to put a toonie (a $2 coin here in Canada) away every day, and at the end of the year that would give me a sunstantial amount to play with. Until then I can just enjoy looking at other people's bikes!
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I sold a 1a stem on ebay for around 75 dollars, bars are around there too if period correct. Recoup the cost easily
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Looks like my Regina Cassette
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Well, I've seen this in person and can tell you: you're right...and you're wrong.
It's not a Cinelli (obvious), but what it is is a mystery.
This is fillet-brazed, has a Columbus (rifled) steerer, is 58cm (approx 56.5cm TT), strange dropouts (forged, but not Campy nor any marks on them, no adjuster screws) but has Campy forkends,
a 68mm BB shell BUT Italian threading (and it's a Sugino BB) weird!
And there's more: nutted brakes and 120mm rear (5-speed) does point to a late '70s vintage, the date on the Sugino Mighty crank is '75, the wheels are Campy hubs (I'd say Gran Sport, not Nuovo Record) on Rigida clincher rims, 700C.
Couldn't tell what size seatpost, but there appears to be a brazed-in shim in the seat tube (ala Cinelli, but that's not saying this is one) so I'm betting it's not 27.2.
Saddle is toast, but was something like a Unicantor.
Brakes are early DuraAce...FW might be a Regina, but couldn't tell.
the only serial number was small and funky stamping in the BB shell: 000356 and BK (there's your clue, Watson, but I have no idea what BK means) Has a "Dutch" style pinch bolt (single Allen bolt)
My gut says it's a British (possibly American) Custom and well made, but...weird! Columbus(?) tubing and Italian BB shell, but everything else smells very Brit or British-influenced.
Oh, and I didn't bring my camera so no new pics...sorry

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I love the paint... and the transitions from the stays to the rear dropout. I'm calling it - I think this one's something special. Someone buy it so I can find out if I'm right!
Funny, that dropout treatment is precisely what says "not that special" to me - though they're certainly "OK."
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^Right^ those "domed" ends are right out of the box, just how Reynolds supplied them.
However, was that how Columbus supplied theirs?
I'm still wondering if this has all Columbus tubing (matching the steerer) or if it's a mixed set (or a replacement fork).
BTW...I bought it...
and, upon strip-down it's even weirder: anybody know what builder besides Pino Morini liked to drill about 20 holes in a steerer?
Pics will follow, but later.
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Congrats on picking it up, unworthy1! I can't wait to find out more about it. I guess I don't know much about dropout treatments, it sure looks like nice work to me.
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Congrats on picking it up, unworthy1! I can't wait to find out more about it. I guess I don't know much about dropout treatments, it sure looks like nice work to me.
Here's some pics, including the very weird "drillium" steerer

only thing stamped here is the number 58 which corresponds to the size.

anybody know what brand this dropout?



Serial number is 000387 and then BK, pretty "jumpy" stamping.
Any info will be appreciated...more pics in this Photobucket album:
http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w...ystery%20Blue/
Also, the headset is a make I've never seen: very clean and simple chromed steel, still in good condition, no flats for a wrench on it at all...no markings either. It looks "British" but no brand I'm familiar with, nothing in Velobase that looks like it. Will post pics of that tomorrow.

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Viscount used nice long "no named" dropouts on their bikes. English, too.
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