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Old 10-05-11, 09:44 AM
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Sturmey Archer Shifters

Maybe I haven't been paying enough attention lately, but I just noticed that Sturmey Archer now makes a much greater variety of shifters for their 3-speed hubs.

I am particularly interested in the SLS30 S3 "3 Speed classic ratio thumb shifter for down tube mounting".



Does anyone here have experience with these?

My questions:

Does this provide the same indexing as the classic trigger shifter (not just friction)?
Will it fit the old Campagnolo braze-on on my down tube?
If yes to the above, where are they available?

I would be using it to replace this setup:




which I have been using for years and years and works fine but I'd like to try something that looks neater and more like it belongs there on the downtube, as long as it would still work well with my 1951 AM hub.
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Yes, I have one of these on my bike. They index exactly like the trigger shifter. They also have a version of it that can mount on the handlebars--which happens to fit neatly on a standard stem. This is my setup:



I ordered mine from somewhere online, can't recall where. If you can't find it the LBS will probably be able to get you one.
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Also, if you can't get the S3, note that the bar end version or the bar mount version (like mine above) can all be removed and used on a braze on.
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Outside Outfitters seems to have them:
http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/ps-...r-shifter.aspx
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I have the bar end shifter on my Lambert, and it is by far the nicest shifter I've ever used on an AW hub. I haven't tried it on an AM hub but I am sure it will be fine. As for the down tube mounting, I believe Lostarchitect has covered it correctly.
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Sturmey-Archer AND downtube shifters? I'm in love.
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I have the bar end shifter on my Lambert, and it is by far the nicest shifter I've ever used on an AW hub.
yep , what he said.
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Maybe I haven't been paying enough attention lately, but I just noticed that Sturmey Archer now makes a much greater variety of shifters for their 3-speed hubs.
Yeah, they really stepped it up over the last couple of years. While Shimano and SRAM tell you that you will take their three-speed twist grip shifter and like it, Sturmey-Archer offers the classic trigger, a more modern trigger, a thumb shifter, a twist grip shifter, a down tube shifter, a bar end shifter and a dual paddle (a.k.a. push-push) shifter.

Sturmey also offers 3-speeds with OLDs from 108mm to 170mm, freewheel/coaster/disc/drum versions, classic pull chain and inboard shift cable models, alloy and steel shells, mid-drive models for recumbents, a model with reverse gear for pedal cars and models that accept 9-spline cassette-style sprockets.

Throw in the NIG mechanism and contrast Sturmey's fairly good parts support with Shimano and SRAM's non-existent IGH parts support (in N.A.) and it's hard not to choose Sturmey for a three speed project.
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Thanks. I ordered one through my LBS (Harris Cyclery). Will update after I get it installed.
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Is there a brifter type shifter out there for SA hubs? Of course there's no way a left triple Shimano STI is going to shift a 3 speed SA hub, right?
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The traditional solution for fitting Sturmey Archer shifters to drop handlebars was to mount the traditional trigger shifter right below the brake lever and cant it slightly to get it out of the way of the brake lever's sweep.

RHM posted an excellent example of this setup here: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...1#post11215033
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In my experience, a plain old friction down tube shifter works just fine for a 3-speed. Here's one that's overkill (Simplex retrofriction, old-style) that I just put "registration marks" for 2nd gear onto with a Sharpie (shown here in low gear). I do have to admit that I went "freewheel" for a couple seconds on my way home this evening, because I didn't pull it quite enough back from high gear, but that hardly ever happens. Having done this, I don't know why people bother to add the pulley and all that other stuff when converting a derailer bike to 3-speed IGH.

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There's also an older twist shifter that fits smaller-diameter bars (like MTB) seen here on a Raleigh Twenty (ripped from the Internet)


I have one and it's pretty cool!
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There's also an older twist shifter that fits smaller-diameter bars (like MTB) seen here on a Raleigh Twenty (ripped from the Internet)


I have one and it's pretty cool!
If the ones like that have seen a lot of use they won't stay in gear. There is a very small detent ball and spring in them that wears out and there is no way to fix it. They are great while they work. Not so great when they don't, the good news any of the other style of SA 3 speed shifters will work.

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If the ones like that have seen a lot of use they won't stay in gear. There is a very small detent ball and spring in them that wears out and there is no way to fix it. They are great while they work. Not so great when they don't, the good news any of the other style of SA 3 speed shifters will work.
Some models of Sturmey twist-shifters can be rebuilt, others cannot. Problem is, most of them wear from the ball, thereby requiring replacement internal parts.

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Originally Posted by bergerandfries View Post
Is there a brifter type shifter out there for SA hubs?
If you must...all you gotta do is line up 2nd gear. Use a R.H. brifter, and set one of the middle index detents to 2nd gear = aligned. 1st gear is cable taut, 3rd gear is cable slack.

Of course there's no way a left triple Shimano STI is going to shift a 3 speed SA hub, right?
No, but a L.H. Shimano STI brifter will shift a SRAM T3.
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Thanks. I ordered one through my LBS (Harris Cyclery). Will update after I get it installed.
It took the LBS a week to get it, then I didn't have a chance to install it until after the weekend. Here is a comparison:



I think it's an improvement aesthetically, though it might look a little better if the lever was parallel with the down tube when in top gear. I might see if I can modify it to do that. I haven't had a chance to ride with it yet so am reserving judgment on the functionality. It does appear as though it will be possible to shift into the in-between-gears position, unlike the trigger shifter which will only come to rest in the three indexed positions.
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I think you're right, it is an aesthetic improvement; but it's kinda a tough call. Sadly this new SA shifter is not pretty. I dislike the bent shape. Functionally I have no complaint, though.
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