Why did high flange road hubs disappear?
05-25-18, 06:29 AM
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I guess my old my old pic was probably my Atom hubs- pretty, but not as pretty or smooth as these:
05-25-18, 10:06 AM
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^ Like jewelry. Very nice!
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05-25-18, 12:21 PM
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Good thread revival. High flange are making a comeback and or never really left the aftermarket offerings.
Anyways, my novice wheel builds often include using vintage hubs, rims and yes... even the spokes. I'll salvage old galvanized double butted, collect them in various lengths. Depending on the wheel build, sometimes trim and thread to application. To play with what I have available, will explore 2x on non drive side to the typical and well proven 3x. I like the look of patina matching spokes much as outer cable sheathing. Weird I am.
Where it may be a length issue, could go with 4x though with high flange hubs, crossing over the close proximity of another spoke head is a potential problem. I avoid this on high flange. Common Japanese practice of this pattern in the rear. Perhaps a transition for touring bikes or they thought given less strong rims back then, this was their solution.
Later when meturlagy improved especially for the bike industry, it made sense for 'small flange' with 'improved rims' and where the 3x pattern became optimal.
(Another trend for some was wire tying the spokes outer intersection and solder. Surely a band-aid approach to lateral strengthening but the real reason came from the high wheeler / penney farthing era. A broken spoke would less be a slicing nuisance, and one could quickly twine it around the adjacent spoke and roll on.)
Anyways, my novice wheel builds often include using vintage hubs, rims and yes... even the spokes. I'll salvage old galvanized double butted, collect them in various lengths. Depending on the wheel build, sometimes trim and thread to application. To play with what I have available, will explore 2x on non drive side to the typical and well proven 3x. I like the look of patina matching spokes much as outer cable sheathing. Weird I am.
Where it may be a length issue, could go with 4x though with high flange hubs, crossing over the close proximity of another spoke head is a potential problem. I avoid this on high flange. Common Japanese practice of this pattern in the rear. Perhaps a transition for touring bikes or they thought given less strong rims back then, this was their solution.
Later when meturlagy improved especially for the bike industry, it made sense for 'small flange' with 'improved rims' and where the 3x pattern became optimal.
(Another trend for some was wire tying the spokes outer intersection and solder. Surely a band-aid approach to lateral strengthening but the real reason came from the high wheeler / penney farthing era. A broken spoke would less be a slicing nuisance, and one could quickly twine it around the adjacent spoke and roll on.)
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05-26-18, 07:44 AM
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05-27-18, 08:06 PM
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Good thread revival. High flange are making a comeback and or never really left the aftermarket offerings.
Anyways, my novice wheel builds often include using vintage hubs, rims and yes... even the spokes. I'll salvage old galvanized double butted, collect them in various lengths. Depending on the wheel build, sometimes trim and thread to application. To play with what I have available, will explore 2x on non drive side to the typical and well proven 3x. I like the look of patina matching spokes much as outer cable sheathing. Weird I am.
Where it may be a length issue, could go with 4x though with high flange hubs, crossing over the close proximity of another spoke head is a potential problem. I avoid this on high flange. Common Japanese practice of this pattern in the rear. Perhaps a transition for touring bikes or they thought given less strong rims back then, this was their solution.
Later when meturlagy improved especially for the bike industry, it made sense for 'small flange' with 'improved rims' and where the 3x pattern became optimal.
(Another trend for some was wire tying the spokes outer intersection and solder. Surely a band-aid approach to lateral strengthening but the real reason came from the high wheeler / penney farthing era. A broken spoke would less be a slicing nuisance, and one could quickly twine it around the adjacent spoke and roll on.)
Anyways, my novice wheel builds often include using vintage hubs, rims and yes... even the spokes. I'll salvage old galvanized double butted, collect them in various lengths. Depending on the wheel build, sometimes trim and thread to application. To play with what I have available, will explore 2x on non drive side to the typical and well proven 3x. I like the look of patina matching spokes much as outer cable sheathing. Weird I am.
Where it may be a length issue, could go with 4x though with high flange hubs, crossing over the close proximity of another spoke head is a potential problem. I avoid this on high flange. Common Japanese practice of this pattern in the rear. Perhaps a transition for touring bikes or they thought given less strong rims back then, this was their solution.
Later when meturlagy improved especially for the bike industry, it made sense for 'small flange' with 'improved rims' and where the 3x pattern became optimal.
(Another trend for some was wire tying the spokes outer intersection and solder. Surely a band-aid approach to lateral strengthening but the real reason came from the high wheeler / penney farthing era. A broken spoke would less be a slicing nuisance, and one could quickly twine it around the adjacent spoke and roll on.)
spoke on Mavic Go Pro 700 clincher rims. They all work fine and I have had no problem with them.
I love the Campy high flange hubs and ride them on both a 1954 Freddie Grubb Meteor massed start frame and also a 1972 Colnago Super race frame. I cannot say whether they are stronger or weaker than non flange hubs but I love the look
05-27-18, 09:39 PM
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They have a certain appeal.
05-28-18, 04:25 AM
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I love my Campy High Flange Record hubs. I have them on two of my bikes. I just like the way they look when they are polished up. I also have two sets of Nuovo Tipo High Flange that look very nice, but they don't have the nice skewer tips that come with the Records. All of them are the early 70's hubs and are still in excellent shape , I guess that says something about their quality. I have a set of Normandy High Flange that I have never laced up so I can't say if they are as smooth as the Campy ones.
05-28-18, 09:53 AM
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I do remember in the nineties, there was a lot of discussion going on over the merits of hi-flange vs low-flange, 2x, 3x and 4x crossing patterns, 36 vs 32 vs 28 and fewer spokes, and so on.
I always thought the discussions a bit pointless as for me, it was always the optics that counted, and i love the high flanges
It has all been rendered academic by the arrival of system wheels. In some of which the high flange survived...
I always thought the discussions a bit pointless as for me, it was always the optics that counted, and i love the high flanges
It has all been rendered academic by the arrival of system wheels. In some of which the high flange survived...
