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Old 10-25-11, 02:50 PM
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Vintage Tubular Wheels: What do I do with these?

I have a set of old tubular wheels (36H Sunshine Hubs, 27" Wolber Super Champion rims) from a '73 Fuji Finest (I think) that I don't know what to do with, so I'm soliciting advice. I just repacked the rear hub and it's spinning very nicely now.

My sense is that no one rides vintage tubulars anymore so, as is, I guess they're pretty useless. So the question is, do I cut out the hubs and sell them on ebay, or is it worth my time to relace the hubs to new 700c rims with stainless spokes? In the latter case I'd probably keep them around as a spare set, at least until I need some cash. By the way, I just recently completed my first wheel rebuild and I suppose I wouldn't mind another wheelbuilding project for practice.




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Those look like nice wheels. I ride and commute on tubulars every day. If I were you I'd buy come cheap tubulars, glue them on and ride! Your'e right that they're a tough sell. Locally you probably won't get a lot of bites, and wheels are expensive to ship. So ride them!
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You could ride them. Some people still swear by tubulars. I'm not one of them. But they sure are light!

You might find a rim that will accept the same size spokes.

What problem are you looking to solve? Too much stuff in your garage? Curiosity to try new things? Need an extra pair of wheels? Need cash?
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The rims on a '73 Newest would have been Ukai plastic-filled tubulars, but those are the right hubs.

The need a relace for sure to remove the old adhesive a light brass brush in a hand drill is your friend.

If you do cut the hubs out....bypass eBay fees and give me a shout, k e i t h at h a t f u l l . n e t

But seriously lots of people ride tubulars on the forum, someone might want them whole, or at least the hubs and rims. Dibs on the hubs
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Old 10-25-11, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
Curiosity to try new things?
Then there's always this:

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Old 10-25-11, 03:18 PM
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I started to ride tubulars on a regular basis this summer , one of the reasons were the multiple tubular wheelsets collecting dust in my basement. No problems / flats as of yet and for the most part a great ride.
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As others said, vintage tubular wheels need not be considered 'obsolete' any more than our vintage bikes are. But if you're past tubulars and you do decide to break them down, please don't throw those rims away! I for one would be happy to have one or two spares, as that's what I have on my Motobecane. They are quite nice.
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And I think some others here would be glad to ahve a set of spares, especially if the hubs are set up for 120 mm. If there are not tubulars on your local Craigslist, that doesn't mean anything.

BTW, despite the fact that some tubular tires say 27" or even 28", all tubulars are 700c, except for some special 650s for time trialing.
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I'm in the same boat, ending up with a few sets of 70's, 80's and 90's tubular wheels that came from various projects/deals. Some of the rims are pretty beat up. I plan to re-lace those hubs to new clincher rims, and eventually ride the others once I find the right bike to put them on.
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Old 10-25-11, 05:04 PM
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I'd suggest don't remove the rims by just clipping the spokes. Take the time to unscrew the nipples, and don't lose them. First, it's not always real easy to do so, second, the old spokes if unblemished are probably usable if you select the new rim with the same ERD as the old. Third, a set of new spokes can be north of $1.00 each, and it adds up to $70 to $100 or more to respoke a set of wheels. Combined with min $50 each for new rims ... you can get a whole set of wheels.
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Old 10-25-11, 05:10 PM
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Let those old tubular wheelsets live out thier last days as cyclocross gear!

Not many road-racers would use vintage freewheel hub tubulars for serious competition these days, too many incompatabilities with modern drivetrain and percieved lack of aerodynamics.
What I have found though is that vintage tubular wheelsets are still very useable for cyclocross racing. In CX, tubulars are a huge advantage in terms of traction and handeling compared to clinchers as tubulars can run much lower pressure without as much danger of snakebite pinches or burping the tire off the rim in the case of tubeless clichers. CX tires come in a variety of specific tread patterns and widths which can be better or worse suited to different course conditions (pavement, fast hardpack, loose dirt, sloppy mud, sticky mud, sand, snow etc.) Somewhat serious CX racers will often have many wheelsets with different tires glued up and ready to go in order to be able to pick the best tire for particlular course conditions in addition to possibly having a spare pit bike. Top level CX racers may easily have dozen+ wheelsets to choose from. For CX tubular afficianados, buying all new wheelsets for so many tires quickly gets to be a very expensive proposition. Since CX racers are somewhat slower than road races, aerodynamics of a wheelset matter for almost nothing. Vintage tubular are inherently fairly high performance wheels and all but the lightest rims are plenty durable for most CX conditions.
Vintage front wheels work fine in any modern CX frame with no real compatibility concerns (well, except for the new disk brake bikes). Early 7-speed casettes can be updated to 8-9-10 speed shifters if needed. Freewheel hubs are a bit of a limitation but I find that a 7-speed freewheel is still plenty of gears for CX since you dont need to cover as wide of a range of speeds as a road race and since not much of CX racing is pack riding, having your gears spaced so close together is less of a necessity to exacty match optimal cadence to speed. I CX race with friction bar-ends for vintage freewheel compabilty but it is also possible to mix-in-match to get some indexed brifter setups to work on 7-speed spacing. Unless you are riding a vintage frame too, the rear frame spacing is probably 130mm so it will be necessary to add spacers to the non-drive side of the axel and re-dish the wheel to use in a 130mm frame, this also has the side benefit of better distributiong spoke tension to the non-drive side and thus makes for a stronger wheel.
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Old 10-25-11, 05:47 PM
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May I suggest you folks with old tubular wheelsets place them in the C&V sales section right here if you're not interested in using them. Saves you some ebay fees and will provide someone here in the C&V community the chance to acquire them. The cost of signing up here to sell items is cheap compared with what ebay will charge you in commissions on a few auctions. Or ....use them. Sew ups provide a great ride.
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If the wheels fit on a bike you're using, no reason not to run tubulars unless you really just don't like them.

My best wheelset, by far, runs tubular tires. It is a tight and light set, custom built, cost more new than my Ksyrium Elites, and is a better set of wheels than those. It's not even close.

Tubulars are not dead, they've just gotten a lot less popular over the years.
They may have some pricing and convenience drawbacks, but they are generally good tires on good wheels.

The guy above who referred to CX racing was spot-on. A lot of tubulars are now being sold for CX, along with triathlons, etc.

Funny, clinchers are far more popular, but when it comes to going fast, it seems like the tubulars are always on the scene.
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Old 10-25-11, 06:19 PM
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Faced with a similar problem, I diassembled wheels, sold rims and learned to build wheels with new 700c rims on the Shimano 600 hubs
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In genral i'd say to either offer them at 'blow out' pricing or to cut the hubs out But our set have ARC EN CIEL rims which tend to bring good money on eBay. I'd clean then up, remove the glue with a wire wheel on a drill, and offer them up on eBay.

If you dont get a decent price then I'd remove the unlace them (do NOT cut the spokes) and sell the rims and spokes as combo and the hubs seperatly.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post

Funny, clinchers are far more popular, but when it comes to going fast, it seems like the tubulars are always on the scene.
Agreed. Tubulars are, and always have been, in my opinion, "cutting edge", if you will. A little more work? Sure. But nothing rides like a good set of tubulars.
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The spokes in the pics the OP provided look to be galvanized, not much sense in saving them.
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I have a nice tubular collection that I'll probably never do anything with as well.
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Trade with someone looking for a tubular wheelset here that might have a clincher wheelset you might like on your bike........Then we have two cyclist happy as a result and both sets are put to regular good use.

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Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
And I think some others here would be glad to ahve a set of spares, especially if the hubs are set up for 120 mm. If there are not tubulars on your local Craigslist, that doesn't mean anything.

BTW, despite the fact that some tubular tires say 27" or even 28", all tubulars are 700c, except for some special 650s for time trialing.
... and some 24-inch, 22-inch, and 20-inch ones, but those sizes are even rarer than 650c tubulars.
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Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
Agreed. Tubulars are, and always have been, in my opinion, "cutting edge", if you will. A little more work? Sure. But nothing rides like a good set of tubulars.
Amen to that, bro.'

Note that a set of used Mephisto tubular rims recently sold on eBarf for about $600 to one of the rando. crowd.

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My thanks to everyone for educating me on the subject of tubulars. It seems I was harboring some pretty silly misconceptions. That vintage tubulars are finding second lives as CX wheelsets was a fact completely unbeknownst to me! I don't think I'm ready to hop on the sew-up bandwagon quite yet--I cringe at the thought of replacing a flat on the road--but I'm happy to find out that others are card-carrying members of the club. Ideally, I'd like to hand these off to one of those folks, so I'll clean off the gunk with a drill-and-wire-brush combo--thanks for the tip, guys--and post them on my local CL (SF Bay Area, a pretty busy one). Failing that, I'll probably put them up on the For Sale forum here. A shame, because I was actually looking forward to another wheelbuilding project, but I see no point in disassembling a set that someone would be happy to use.
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@ Khatfull: I agree about the galvanized spokes. If someone were to go to the trouble of relacing the hubs or the rims, why wouldn't they use stainless? By the way, you have some beautiful Fuji's. Actually, I think it was your post on the Touring V that led me to start hunting for one. So far, no luck but I did recently score a Touring Series IV that I cleaned/tuned up and accessorized. Too small for me, unfortunately, so I'm selling it on local CL.

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