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Old 10-27-11, 01:56 PM
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Dugast inquiry...

Picked up a pair of Dugast allegedly silk tires at a swap a while back. But the markings on them are kind of confusing. They are clearly marked A.Dugast, but they have what look like modified Hutchinson markings on them.

Anyone know just what they are? I have searched and found no reference to a Dugast Carbon Comp. Final photo shows the tread if that helps.

Now my PSA. When buying tubular tires, have them pumped up before you leave. There were no cores in these. When I did get some, I found one tire is most likely unusable due to sidewall damage. I did get them relatively cheap, but not for free.





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The Dugast looks a lot cleaner than the other labels. Raises a red flag.
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It could be a re-tread, not unheard of to have recycled rubber tread (from a dead casing tire) glued onto a tubular with worn tread but a good casing. Cyclocross tubular connesours will go to greater lengths to mix-in-match tread and casing for just the perfect tire, such as gluing the mythical old discontinued Michilin Mud clincher tread onto a tubular casing.
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Originally Posted by Ex Pres View Post
The Dugast looks a lot cleaner than the other labels. Raises a red flag.
Did you mean a red label?

The label on the other tire is suitably grunged, so I don't think there is any chicanery. Even if it is in fact a Hutchiinson CC, the quality of the tire is still quite high. Just a bummer about the one tire.
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Looks like wrong tread pattern for a Dugast silk.
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The retread idea may have merit. Doesn't the tread appear to cover the top edge of the Dugast mark? Can you peel back the edge any?
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Originally Posted by CV-6 View Post
Picked up a pair of Dugast allegedly silk tires at a swap a while back. But the markings on them are kind of confusing. They are clearly marked A.Dugast, but they have what look like modified Hutchinson markings on them.

Anyone know just what they are? I have searched and found no reference to a Dugast Carbon Comp. Final photo shows the tread if that helps.

Now my PSA. When buying tubular tires, have them pumped up before you leave. There were no cores in these. When I did get some, I found one tire is most likely unusable due to sidewall damage. I did get them relatively cheap, but not for free.





The more recent Dugast tires (since the sale of the business) seem to use Hutchinson treads.

Some guy (in Sweden perhaps, iirc?) bought the business a while back.
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Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy View Post
Looks like wrong tread pattern for a Dugast silk.
Agreed with what I have seen. Even for the cotton tires. But it is correct for Hutchinson Carbon pics I have seen.

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The retread idea may have merit. Doesn't the tread appear to cover the top edge of the Dugast mark? Can you peel back the edge any?
It does and I cannot.
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It appears that often now tires for pro teams from the small tubular mfgs. get labeled to suit the pro team sponsor client. So, who knows. It appears to me someone took MEK or some other agent to remove a brand name.

Swap meet A. Dugast tires... would that not seem to invite further inquiry?
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Here is another forum thread that supports the idea that Dugast now uses treads from Hutchinson;
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/fo...c.php?p=195600
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On a similar note, I bought some Hutchinson labeled tires supposedly used by Discovery team in Tour of California. The seller (a local bike shop) claimed they were used in one stage only, and actually made by Veloflex.
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Used or even NOS tires of any kind are such a crap shoot, but I still do it anyway if they're cheap enough. It's great when it works out.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post

Swap meet A. Dugast tires... would that not seem to invite further inquiry?
Not with all the other tires that were at this booth. Local racing team.
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Originally Posted by GrayJay View Post
Here is another forum thread that supports the idea that Dugast now uses treads from Hutchinson;
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/fo...c.php?p=195600
Yup....
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